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To: Mr. Silverback
"You are accusing Short and Kimmel of murdering 3,000 of their men. You need to have some serious evidence to back such a thing up."

Didn't you tell us that you are an expert on this subject?
Then why is it you don't understand what I'm saying?

It is a matter of historical record, not disputable, that Kimmel and Short did receive a "war warning," in the weeks prior to December 7, and that they did respond to the warning.

What IS highly debatable is whether that "warning" predicted what would happen, and whether Kimmel and Short responded appropriately.

You may remember that Kimmel and Short were relieved and disciplined after the attack, for their failure to be prepared, despite the warning.

And you may also remember that in recent years they were exonerated by Congress. None of this is debatable.

What is in question is whether FDR, Marshall & all, knew more than their warning implied.

62 posted on 09/11/2008 4:49:50 PM PDT by BroJoeK (A little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
What is in question is whether FDR, Marshall & all, knew more than their warning implied.

Back in the days of pre-Obama America, it did not take the sinking of an entire line of battleships to have the U.S. whipped into a war fever.

Back in those days, all it took was the bombardment of a fort flying the U.S. flag that did not result in a single casualty during the battle (Fort Sumter) or the belief that a country intended to sink a single U.S. battleship (USS Maine).

If FDR had known of the attack but wanted to guarantee a war by keeping quiet about the intended attack, the battleships would have been on maneuvers with the carriers and FAR away from the action while a near empty Pearl Harbor and the airfields suffered the brunt of the attack.

As it was, the USS Enterprise was so close to Pearl Harbor at the time that it lost some aircraft. The consequences would have been disastrous if Japanese aircraft had spotted the course of these U.S. carrier aircraft, followed it and found the U.S. carrier.

Report of Action with Japanese at Oahu on December 7, 1941. --- SCOUTING SQUADRON SIX - U.S.S. ENTERPRISE

Whether minor damage or catastrophic damage to the Pacific Fleet had occurred, the headlines the next morning would still have been, "JAP SNEAK ATTACK ON PEAR HARBOR!" and the U.S. would still have been at war with Japan to the bitter end.

If FDR wanted war, there was no need to lose the battleships and risk nearly losing a carrier to get the U.S. whipped into a war fever.

66 posted on 09/11/2008 5:23:20 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: BroJoeK
Didn't you tell us that you are an expert on this subject?

Hmmm...your inability to comprehend written English doesn't really lend you any credibility. I never said I was an expert on Pearl Harbor or even WWII history, nor have I said anything in this thread that could be reasonably misinterpreted as such.

More later.

67 posted on 09/11/2008 6:23:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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