[Lyford]

Didn't you watch her RNC speech, where she said about hockey moms (herself included), that the only difference between them and a pit bull was...lipstick.

What kind of a rock would someone have had to have been hiding under not to have seen that? Seen it, heard it, read it. I know the line. I know that she used it.

None of which changes the fact that a) it's an old cliche (and I'd have to see some really compelling evidence to buy this "started in the homosexual community" meme - I don't think that the homosexual community had fed much into the language of rural Maine 40 years ago when I first heard it) that b) Obama has used before, c) he made no mention of Palin in close proximity to using it and d) it was not at all a strained cliche in the context in which he used it.

Again, I'm not going to debate whether he was thinking about her when he said it. He may well have been (though I think he's got a strong tendency to speak in familiar cliches when forced to speak extemporaneously). I'm arguing that it doesn't matter. There is nothing inherently offensive about the phrase, the context was appropriate, and since I abhor the left flogging thought-crime, I don't want to see it from the right, either.


And, just to make it clear, I think Barack Obama is the scariest Presidential candidate since George McGovern. I shudder when I contemplate the possible ramifications of an Obama Presidency. But there are many good and legitimate reasons to vote against him. This is just noise.

[muawiyah]

BTW, it's highly unlikely that folks in rural Maine normally referred to women as "fish"!

(Unless, of course, they were gay, and I do hope you're not telling us that everybody in rural Maine 40 years ago was gay ~ although that could help explain the apparent depopulation of the state Fur Shur).