Posted on 09/06/2008 5:28:51 PM PDT by markomalley
A friend asked me why evangelicals think its okay that Sarah Palins seventeen-year-old daughter got pregnant by her boyfriend. I think the exact wording was, Why are we so excited about it? Hmmmm. Thats not exactly the way I would put it.
I dont know anyone who is excited about a teenage girl getting pregnant out of wedlock. This seems to be a point on which there is near-universal agreement. Getting pregnant outside of marriage is always problematic, but when you are a teenager, the difficulties are magnified. This isnt a liberal or conservative observationjust a statement of reality.
However, I think the question is meant to go to a different point. Why are evangelicals willing to overlook the pregnancy of Sarah Palins daughter? Well, it is a useful question, given that everyone I have talked to (an admittedly unscientific sample) seems to love Sarah Palin. Count me in that number. I thought she did a terrific job in her speech on Wednesday night at the Republican Convention. But what about her daughter getting pregnant outside of wedlock?
Heres a simple answer. Sarah and Todd Palin are not the first parents to have a child make this sort of mistake. And its not just the getting pregnant part. Its as much the part about being sexually active in the first place. Given that most of us knew nothing about the Palins ten days ago, we arent in a position to say anything about how they raised their children. But Bristol Palin is hardly the first child raised in an evangelical family to get pregnant out of wedlock. We might be surprised if we knew how often this happens. That isnt meant to excuse anything. Sin is sin, wrong is wrong, but is helps to remember that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and there but for the grace of God."
But doesnt it reflect poorly on the parents when children make bad choices? The answer is yes and no. Certainly it has cast a shadow over the whole nomination of Sarah Palin, and it has given the media another opening to attack her. But her daughters pregnancy does not disqualify her for public office. By the same token, I would argue that a similar situation would not automatically disqualify a pastor from serving in a local church. Note the word automatically. Sometimes churches have demanded a level of perfection in pastoral child-rearing that James Dobson couldnt possibly meet.
Its not what the children do that matters as much as how the parents respond. 1 Timothy 3:4 tell us that a spiritual leader must manage his own household well. How do you measure that? The real test of any manager is how he responds when trouble comes. Anyone can manage an organization when you have plenty of money in the bank, when your market share is growing, and when everyone is happy. Great managers rise to the top when the waters are rough, when money is tight, when the market is down, and when times are tough.
Do they cover up the truth or do they face reality?
Can they demonstrate wisdom in how they respond?
Do they keep their people united?
Do they have a plan and will others follow their plan?
Can they remain positive and calm when others are panicking?
These are the traits of good leadershipand you only see this when unexpected trouble comes. Leaders rise to the top in hard times. And thats why I think pastors (and other spiritual leaders) ought not to be trashed or suddenly dismissed because of family issues. Its how they respond that makes the difference.
Regarding Sarah Palin and her pregnant daughter, so far so good. Her daughter did not abort the baby, which many people would have advised her to do. And she and her boyfriend plan to be married and keep the baby. Good for them. I cant imagine that Todd and Sarah Palin are happy about their daughters pregnancy, but as far as anyone can tell, they have responded with grace and courage under an enormous media spotlight. They have done well, their family seems to be rallying to the cause, and they are setting a good example of how to handle a crisis when the whole world is watching.
Evangelicals of all people believe in sin and grace. We admit our sin and we cling to the grace of God. We face the consequences, we seek forgiveness, we love each other, and we go forward together.
Life happens. Period.
What should we think? That this is none of our business?
They like "moving on", don't they?
Yes or No.
what I find hillarious is that the dems keep saying she is not qualified for the job she is NOT running for. It is irrelevant.
Obama is now running against the VP position? weird.
As a Christian, here’s what I think.
There is no way I will ever congratulate her on sex outside of marriage. We don’t celebrate and appluad people for doing the wrong thing.
At the same time, she appears to be doing the right thing, having made wrong choices. She is being responsible, they are planning to marry, and have the baby. They appear to be repentant about it, and know they messed up. You do not need to take a heavy-handed approach with people who already know they have screwed up big time, but want to be responsible for what they have done. We can encourage them to make sure they do the right things, and we are glad her parents are giuding her and her boyfriend and encouraging them to do the right things.
We take no pleasure in their failures. Simply pointing them out is not the same thing as reveling in them and trying to destroy someone with their mistakes. Their hypocritical enemies, who defend those they like from intense scrutiny, and crucify others they hate for things they’d let their friends and allies off the hook for, will use this to destroy them. And this is the evil, the proud, a proud look the Lord despises.
No, it is all foolishness to them. And because of that, like the Irish Times article you posted said, Palin will never be acceptable to them.
> A friend asked me why evangelicals think its okay that Sarah Palins seventeen-year-old daughter got pregnant by her boyfriend. I think the exact wording was, Why are we so excited about it? Hmmmm. Thats not exactly the way I would put it.
If we were alive 2007 years ago, what would we have thought of Mary mother of Jesus? She was pregnant by the Holy Ghost “out of wedlock” to Joseph...
In the case of Mary, all was well so far as God was concerned.
In the case of Sarah’s daughter, what did Jesus have to say about the woman taken in adultry? About the Samaritan woman? About Mary Magdalene?
Grizzled Bear and I often have these “What Would Jesus Do?” discussions — I find them fascinating. And instructional.
Someone said on a thread here that if all the couples who were pregnant when they got married voted for McCain, he’d win in a landslide. Come on - she has a loving and supportive family, a committed fiance, and plans to marry and bring up the child. She’s young, yes; but she’s not a 9-year old forced to marry a 45 year old under the religion of pieces.
She has great legs, just like her mother. :P
I would think that the operative phrase is "Go and sin no more."
Given the intention of Bristol and Levi to marrying each other and raising their child (with the support of the Palins), I think we don't have much to worry about here.
A general ping to folks with a religious interest.
Yes........Thank the MSM for creating the fodder for battle......
I'm not buying into it tho, that's why you won't get an argument out of me even tho you appear to want one.......
Clearly the daughter screwed up. She's not the first and surely won't be the last.
Almost every politician has a kid who screws up. What we need to watch is how it's handled. If Gov Palin tried to force her daughter into an abortion it would show her as a hypocrite. Needless to say, she didn't do that.
However, I refuse to draw any comparisons to Jesus or Mary in these situations.
Amen...
No they don’t .
And then I decided I was in no position to throw stones.
Personally I am waiting for the MSM to tell me what to think
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