Posted on 09/02/2008 1:42:22 AM PDT by Kevmo
John McCain and Barack Obama - Can Either Even Be President? September 2nd, 2008 1:56 am | by Jake4Constitution | Published in Election, Liberty | Comment
Are Senators John McCain and Barack Obama Both Constitutionally Ineligible to be President?
by Jake, the Champion of the Constitution Originally published Monday, September 1, 2008 at http://www.nolanchart.com/article4678.html
Unbelievably, this year’s presidential election will be between two candidates who, in a fit of supreme irony in our Constitution-bashing Age, both may be constitutionally ineligible to be President. Both Senators have civil suits pending against them that they are ineligible to run for POTUS. Please note I personally have absolutely no challenge whatsover that they are both US Citizens and at least intend well for the country they are contesting to lead, just that perhaps both do not constitutionally qualify to be President. I also have no pretensions that either civil suit will stop either of them from running and in all likelihood either Senator McCain or The Barackcuda will be coronated in January 2009. However, I have to wonder why in this year of all years, why there cannot be at least one candidate from the major parties where there is no controversy, they were born in Nebraska or New York and grew up there eating corn and hamburgers with two (2) American parents, and that is the end of it. The Washington Times stated on August 28 that “legal scholars say there is no precedent on the subject because all previous presidents have been born within the 50 states or territories that became states.”
Remember part of our founding fathers reasoning in setting the requirements for President. They simply did not want to take a chance of any person with say, an aristocratic European background from a country starting with “Eng-” and ending with “-land,” immigrating to the USA, becoming a citizen and then President. They wanted to reduce as much as possible the chances of President having loyalties to another nation besides the USA. Is this really that out of tune with the modern globalized world? Should we not allow Arnold Schwartzneggar at least the eligibility to become President if he serves California faithfully for many years? I echo the founding fathers when I say “No Freaking Way, Man.” If you start allowing any ex-foreign national or non-natural born citizen to become President, you can not allow yourself to be a hypocrite. How at ease would any of us be, say if a certain ex-Saudi, ex-USSR’er or ex-Pakistani immigrated to the US, became a US citizen, and then President? Sure the odds are against that ever happening in our current I-am-so-petrified-mommy-of-the-scary-terrorists-mommy-please-save-me world in which we live in today, but really though, if you run for President for a party I do not think it would hurt to have an official constitutionality check by a federal court. After all, the presidential oath is to protect and defend the Constitution, so there should be an official check at some point earlier in the process to determine whether the candidate legally qualifies for the office in the first place!
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Is John McCain Constitutionally Eligible to be POTUS?
Well, here is the case for John McCain in brief. The facts are clear, but the law is a bit muddy. John McCain was born from two natural born US citizens on a military base in Panama. He grew up on base after base all over the world in the military empire, switching homes and schools at least 20 times. However, the case for constitutionality simply rests on his birth. The below proof is the most rigorous and detailed that I have come across, and its details can be found here:
The 14th Amendment and matching policy limit citizenship to either natural born or naturalized, but not both. John McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to citizen parents. 8 USC 1403(a) declares naturalized citizenship in 1952 on persons born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents. Therefore, 8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain at age 16. Therefore, John McCain is a naturalized citizen. By treaty, the Canal Zone was not part of the United States. Therefore, John McCain was not born in the United States. Therefore, John McCain is a citizen not born in the United States. Therefore, John McCain is not a natural born citizen. Article II of the Constitution states to be President a person must be a natural born citizen. THEREFORE, John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution; he should be decertified and removed from all present and future Presidential ballots; and his past results should be disallowed, including unbinding all of his committed delegates. On August 11, the chairman of California’s American Independent Party (presidential nominee is Ambassador Alan Keyes) sued McCain, the GOP, and the California Secretary of State using the above argument, challenging McCain’s right to place his name on the California ballot in November. The case will be heard by U.S. District Judge William Alsup on 9-11-08. For more details read the August 28 article from the Oakland Tribune here.
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Is Barack Obama Constitutionally Eligible to be POTUS?
The case against Senator Obama is perhaps a bit more convoluted as the basic facts of his birth and life are disputed but the law is fairly clear, plus its politically more interesting. Philadelphia lawyer Philip J. Berg on August 21 filed suit in US District Court of Eastern Pennsylvania against Obama, the Democratic National Committee, and the Federal Election Committee. He stated “filed this action at this time to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.” Note Berg donated money to and is an active supporter of Hillary Clinton. In the past he served as chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, he was a member of the Democratic State Committee, and also was Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.
The heart of Berg’s lawsuit claims three things.
Senator Obama is not a naturalized citizen and/or Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia and/or Has dual or conflicting national loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia. Berg alleges Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate from the state of Hawaii is a forgery per three independent document forensic experts. He alleges Obama was born in Kenya as his mother (Stanley Ann Dunham, aged 18) traveled there with her husband, Barack Obama, a Kenyan national, but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy. [Wiki trivia: Obama, Sr. and Dunham married in 1961 while Obama, Sr. was still married to his first wife from Kenya, whom he never divorced. Obama, Sr. is dead now, but divorced from Dunham in 1964. So the Barackcuda is literally a son of a bigamist.] Berg claims Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed the same; that Barack was born in Kenya and his mother subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth. If Obama was truly born in Kenya, Berg claims, the contemporary laws hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. As Ms. Dunham was too young, therefore citizenship could not legally be passed on to him. Therefore Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
[Since Senator Obama was once a constitutional law professor, one might have expected him to publish or have a paper ready defending his citizenship status. And pigs will fly.]
Next, even if Obama is deemed “natural born,” that United States citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. I surmise Berg’s intent is that after this time period Obama never officially regained US citizenship is ineligible to be POTUS, but perhaps its just to suggest conflicting nationalist loyalities. Either way, Wow. Lolo Soetoro and Dunham divorced in 1980 and both are now dead.
Berg alleges Obama has used multiple names throughout his life such as “Barack Hussein Obama,” “Barry Soetoro,” “Barry Obama,” “Barack Dunham,” and “Barry Dunham.” He then charges that Obama lied on his Illinois bar exam where he failed to acknowledge the use of any other name. Berg concludes that at the very least there is still the issue of multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries.
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In Closing
What is correct? What is right? Decide for yourself. I do favor clear and open federal court proceedings on both cases. As one will likely become POTUS, the mandate from the Electoral College will be tainted if this wound is allowed to fester. Their reign will be compromised from the start if this critical issue is not dealt with in an honest and public manner. As is often the case in our two-party democracy, when the “chief of the successful partisans” steps into power, the losing side will whine incessantly about how they lost. What hope do the American people have of their President obeying his oath to defend the Constitution if they see these candidates brush these claims under the carpet or act in a dishonest manner in defiance of the rule of law? Why must I feel that even I, by writing a simple column, am doing a better job of championing the Constitution?
Here is Tom Paine from the post-Revolutionary War world of 1782. He was referring to the European powers of his day but, sadly, I believe his comments apply to our America:
“[The purpose] of other nations are, in general, little more than the history of their quarrels. They are marked by no important character in the annals of events; mixed in the mass of general matters, they occupy but a common page; and while the chief of the successful partisans stepped into power, the plundered multitude sat down and sorrowed. Triumph on one side and misery on the other were the only events. Pains, punishments, torture, and death were made the business of mankind, until compassion, the fairest associate of the heart, was driven from its place, and the eye, accustomed to continual cruelty, could behold it without offence.
But as the principles of the present Revolution differed from those which preceded it, so likewise did the conduct of America both in government and war. Neither the foul finger of disgrace has hitherto put a blot upon her fame. War, so much the trade of the world, has here only been the business of necessity; and when the necessity shall cease, her very enemies must confess, that as she drew the sword in her just defence, she used it without cruelty, and sheathed it without revenge.”
I have a confession to make. Obama or McCain, McBama, whatever, it really doesn’t matter to me. If you read my articles, you will find out why and also why a new Revolution has begun. My only question is will you join me?
In Liberty,
Jake, the Champion of the Constitution
www.CampaignForLiberty.com
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Veritas numquam perit. Veritas odit moras. Veritas vincit. Truth never perishes. Truth hates delay. Truth conquers.
“When the truth walks away, Everybody stays! Because the truth about the world is that crime does pay!
So if you walk away, Who is gonna stay? Because I’d like to think the world is a better place!”
- from Offspring’s song “Have You Ever.”
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/09/02/john-mccain-and-barack-obama-can-they-even-be-president/1645/
No problem. I’ll take Palin vs. Biden, and spot you three bullets.
I don’t know who’s been keeping the certifiGate ping list, but here’s another article.
The real question should be — “SHOULD Either Be President?”
Given the volume (both meanings of the word) of the hoopla surrounding both VP (’warm bucket of spit’) picks, I’m tending to think that there’s an unspoken consensus, among all players, that the wrong two people are running for President.
Buyer’s Remorse can be devastating....
Given the volume (both meanings of the word) of the hoopla surrounding both VP (’warm bucket of spit’) picks,
***I thought McCain’s pick was shere genius, and it has energized the conservative base. How you can include Palin as a ’warm bucket of spit’ pick is beyond me. This is Free Republic, a bastion of conservatism, not republican-party apparatchik central.
“This is Free Republic, a bastion of conservatism, not republican-party apparatchik central.”
Do you actually *read* posts that you respond to, or are you just a knee-jerk name-caller??
The article seems to suggest that because McCain was not born IN the United States, then that makes him ineligible (highly summarized version of what is in the article). However, that seems like faulty reasoning to me (although maybe it is my reasoning that is faulty ....someone can correct me if I am wrong). I thought that if someone is born of an American parent (let alone two American parents), then the offspring has American citizenship. I know at least 7 people who have become American citizens simply because one of the parents was American. They are not just 'legal residents' ....they are citizens. They did not become citizens (e.g. you have a green card for several years, and then after a number of years you apply for citizenship) ....they were BORN citizens.
Anyways, the main thing I got from the article on McCain (again, I could be wrong and I am very open to correction) is that because he was born outside the country, and spent quite a bit of time hop-scotching around the globe. However, that should not mean much unless one just finished reading the Manchurian Candidate. He is still an American, was bred as an American, he is the offspring of two Americans, and he served and bled for his country ....he was just not born on American soil. So what, unless American soil has some Carpathian quality to it (ancient lore had Vampires requiring to sleep in a coffin that was partially filled with soil from their homeland).
Goodness, there are so MANY Americans born on American SOIL that would sell out their nation at the first bid. Look at all the traitors and spies during the Cold War ....all Americans born and bred, and in some cases they sold some very significant secrets/information for (in some cases) very little money. Look at all the folk over at DU (I am not comparing them with Cold War spies, but I am certain there are a small number, at least, who have the interests of other countries above their own. It may be silly compared to the real crimes that happened during the Cold War, but there was a chap in DU who was saying that the US should not win many medals during the Olympics so as to be 'fair' to the little countries).
Anyways, so what if McCain was not born on US soil.
Is Puerto Rico part of the US? Is Guam? Idiots all!
LLS
Read your own tagline and do more of the latter.
LLS
Do you actually *read* posts that you respond to, or are you just a knee-jerk name-caller??
***why don’t you explain yourself, then.
I agree. I do think this supposed ‘even handed’ approach will be the template for the MSM when or if the Obama birth certificate forgery story finally does break.
Well, in light of Kenya’s publishing that Obama was actually born in Kenya to a mother who was not voting age elligible, as opposed to John, whose parents were serving in the US military, but being born out of the country, I’d say that McCain has every right to run. At least there was no question of his birth being other than to US citizens. Many US children are born to service members overseas. That rule should not apply for them. But Obama’s mother was 17, from what I read, and her husband was not a US citizen.
It's my understanding that military bases are sovereign US territory as well, or does that just apply to an embassy?
Either way, John's citizenship is a lot clearer than Barry's....
According to a true prophet (i.e. who so far was NEVER proven wrong) the answer is NO.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Hillary+Clinton+2008+for+dummies%22
Yes... you are 100% correct.
LLS
http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf
LAWYER SEARCH: ATTORNEY’S REGISTRATION AND
PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY RECORD
ARDC Individual Attorney Record of Public Registration and Public Disciplinary and
Disability Information as of April 25, 2008 at 11:50:44 AM:
Full Licensed
Name:
Barack Hussein Obama
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Well, in light of Kenya’s publishing that Obama was actually born in Kenya to a mother who was not voting age elligible,
***I have heard that as a rumor, but is there a birth certificate? Got any links?
“The Barackcuda”
Oh no you don’t.
Stop right there.
Along with “me-tooing” every other damn thing we do, there will be NO co-opting Palin’s nickname.
BoBo the Simp is not a barracuda.
A lamprey, leech or a hagfish, yes but he is NO barracuda.
Pathetic mimics can’t come up with *anything* original.
“me-tooing”
***Maybe that should be “me-tooting”.
Are they getting their campaign strategies from Seinfeld reruns?
Did he *just* miss being nicknamed “T Bone”?
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