The factories churned out hundreds of fake Hawaii drivers licenses, state identification cards, personal checks and, in at least one instance, a Costco card. Police also found evidence that crooks were trying to duplicate U.S. and foreign passports.
No mention of false birth certificates. Was this occurring in 1961? When did Obama get a US passport? His mother? How did they substantiate his citizenship?
There is a culture of ID forgery and bribery in Hawaii.Its driven by having a very ethnically diverse population, along with traditional unsupervised entry by boat and ship. Getting a well forged COLB in Hawaii is just a matter of having enough money to get it, even today. It would have been very, very easy before the WOT, pre 911.
More assertions but no proof. Again, we know that Barack Obama has a US passport, which is proof of citizenship. We know that there was a contemperaneous announcement of birth in a local newspaper. We know that he travelled to Indonesia with his mother when he was six years old. You are making a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions about document fraud to support your theory, which is created from whole cloth.
I have no problem in pressing Obama to provide to the public his birth certificate and raising questions about his travel to Pakistan when he was a student at Columbia. However, you are making a giant leap of logic and fact to assume that Obama was born outside the US or that he held an Indonesian passport. We need facts, not speculation.
Hawaii is not unique in this regard.
***That is a counter argument? Kabar, you are a troll.
More assertions but no proof. Again, we know that Barack Obama has a US passport, which is proof of citizenship.
***And again I point out, word for word: My wife is a citizen with a U.S. Passport. But she was born in Taiwan. Demanding proof at the stage of data collection is a requirement no one can meet, so just STFU.
I can see that you have very little schematic investigative experience.
You and we are not judges nor arbiters. This is not a venue in which there is proof adduced. In large part we discuss, seek sources and set social context, and marshal facts. We cannot fabricate but we can perceive fabrication, very easily once the basic schema is surmised. And we certainly have that now.
Obama has not produced a valid, unimpeachable certificate of birth. John Kerry also did not release his service records to the public to prove the truth of his own statements. That lost the election for Kerry.
Now we have a parallel situation developing.
I say to you that the social context in Hawaii was such that the acquisition of forged documents was easily done, post WWII. I have, with 10 minutes research , exposed to you the rudiments of that culture and the way authorities have been trying to combat it.
And you want adjudication?
Well bully for you!
The adjudication will happen on Nov. 6th, just like it did with Mr. John ( Commie Hero) Kerry.
And all Obama has to do to aid and defend his cause is publicly release his valid, unredacted COLB just as John ( Nothing to Hide) McCain has done.
But Obama cannot. He is still trying to fabricate something that will pass muster. In the alternative he has a back channel campaign going of dissimilitude, of invoked incredulity, which the MSM emulates and of which you seem to be a part. Well, no one here on FR is biting.
I say to Mr. Obama.PUBLISH YOUR COMPLETE UNREDACTED COLB, With the serial number.
(BTW, we will get it sooner or later, only a matter of time.)
Similarly , as we speak here, the Obama Campaign demonstrates to silence his critics in Chicago on Bill ( The Bomber) Ayer's Video ad. If the facts adduced in the video advert. are untrue, why doesn't Obama start a libel and slander suit, and have the video ordered off air by a court of law?
Because the facts are true, And no court will move to do it, and a court would ultimately find the facts to be true.
Obama and his campaign conduct themselves in a manner congruent with the very Liberal Fascism that Jonah Goldberg has revealed in his book, "Liberal Fascism".
Obama is going down the same road Kerry did. That means he is going down period. Thank you Howard Dean, Thank you Thank you. Thank goodness Howie, that you pushed Hillery Out.
Now the Republican machine is going to tear Obama apart. And Obama has earned it, Remember Kenya!
Remember the genocide Obama helped create with his neo-colonial US Black Power politics in Kenyan tribal society. The dead, many of them innocent women and children burned in a Christian church because of their ethnicity, watch with vengeful glee at Obama's political destruction. So do the living. I among them.
The good guys are gonna win, THIS TIME!Not the fascist dogs in whose circles Obama finds his "Hope & Change."