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US warship docks in Georgia port
BBC ^ | Sunday August 24 2008

Posted on 08/24/2008 12:30:15 AM PDT by Ramzi Al Kaboom

Us warship arrives in Georgia

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwarii; foreignaid; geopolitics; georgia; russia; shipmovement; usn; ussmcfaul
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Thats pretty much it for the black sea fleet. One cruiser and two destroyers

Which makes it very interesting, for the Russians especially, that NATO is sending a C&C ship (USS Mt. Whitney), A frigate (USS McFaul), a Coast Guard Cutter (USCGC Dallas), which is a frigate in all but name, a Spanish Ageis frigate (Juan de Bourbon, F102 ), a German frigate (FGS Luebeck, F 214), and a Polish O.H. Perry Class Frigate (ORP General K Pulaski ). For starters.

Have to watch the Poles, and maybe the Germans too, depending on how much of Her crew are from the East, their trigger fingers might get itchey when they see a Russian flag. Or if they "hear" the Kilo class sub "B-871 ("Alrosa").

101 posted on 08/25/2008 5:17:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Chris DeWeese
This ship has less than 400 people on it, but sure does have a lot of firepower in the VLS!

But the Mount Whitney can carry over 900, only about 325-350 of which are ship's complement. Some of the others man the C&C gear. But several hundred can be Marines or even Army troops.

After all, all that humanitarian aid will need to be guarded from those "bandits" that the Russians say are all over the country.

102 posted on 08/25/2008 5:39:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: cake_crumb
Also, Bill Clinton pardoned some members of the Weather Underground, though I don’t know which members.

Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg. Actually their sentences were merely commutted. See DOJ website.

Susan Lisa Rosenberg

Offense: Conspiracy to possess unregistered firearm, receive firearms and explosives shipped in interstate commerce while a fugitive, and unlawfully use false identification documents, 18 U.S.C. § 371; possession of unregistered destructive devices, possession of unregistered firearm (two counts), 26 U.S.C. §§ 5861(d) and 5871; carrying explosives during commission of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 844(h)(2); possession with intent to unlawfully use false identification documents, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1028(a)(3), 1028(b)(2)(B), 1028(c)(1) and 1028(c); false representation of Social Security number, possession of counterfeit Social Security cards, 42 U.S.C. § 408(g)(2) District/Date: New Jersey; May 20, 1985

Sentence: 58 years' imprisonment

Terms of Grant: Sentence of imprisonment commuted to an aggregate of 27 years, seven months, and 19 days, effectuating her immediate release by virtue of having served to her mandatory release date for the aggregate sentence as commuted



Linda Sue Evans

Offense:

1. Possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, 18 U.S.C. App. § 1202(a)(1)
2. Harboring a fugitive, 18 U.S.C. § 1071
3. Possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, and false statements in acquiring firearms, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(h)(1), 922(a)(6), and 924(a)
4. Malicious damage to Government property and conspiracy to damage Government property, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 844(f)

District/Date:
1. Southern New York; November 21, 1985 2. Southern New York; July 10, 1986 3. Eastern Louisiana; May 20, 1987 (modified on December 8, 1988) 4. District of Columbia; December 6, 1990 Sentence: 1. Two years' imprisonment 2. Three years' imprisonment, consecutive to no. 1 3. 30 years' imprisonment (as modified on appeal), consecutive to nos. 1 & 2 4. Five years' imprisonment, consecutive to nos. 1-3 TOTAL SENTENCE: 40 years' imprisonment

Terms of Grant: Sentence of imprisonment commuted to 25 years, eight months, and 11 days, effectuating her immediate release by virtue of having served to her mandatory release date for the aggregate sentence as commuted

103 posted on 08/25/2008 5:52:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: newzer1
Using the Whitney, to me, would be comparable to an Army General moving his HQ to Georgia.

The General is already in Georgia.

General John Craddock, (4 stars) the top US military commander in Europe who is also NATO's supreme allied commander in Europe. 6th Fleet is under his operational command, and thus so is it's flagship. I suspect he intendes to go aboard her as soon as she arrives. Oh, he'll probably soon leave the mission to lower level Flag officers who will remain when he goes back to his HQ.

But you have to admit, it's pretty cool when the General arrives *before* his forces.

104 posted on 08/25/2008 6:13:50 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: newzer1
Can someone please explain what a Command Ship is? Doesn’t that sound more military than humanitarian?.

Only to newbies who signed up yesterday. She's actually more lightly armed than either the McFaul or the Dallas. Basicly she's got some self protection capability, both against air and small boat attacks.

But the Mount Whitney, essentially a communications center that floats, can also carry a pretty big load of supplies, and will be delivering more supplies than the other ships.

She may also be carrying troops, Marines most likely but not necessarily.

105 posted on 08/25/2008 6:19:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Candor7
We do not know what other ships are under the command ships order of sail, but the intimation is that there may be a nuclear sub or two in the mix

It's a violation of the Montreu(sic) Convention for submarines of non Black Sea powers to transit the Turkish straits, and the Turks are pretty anal about that these days. Besides, the straits are narrow, not deep, heavily traveled, and with tricky currents. The Bosporus bisects the city of Istanbul, formerly Constantinople. Hard to sneak much of anything through there. A sub might make it through at night and at periscope depth without being seen, if the Turks looked the other way that is.

106 posted on 08/25/2008 6:26:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Candor7
cruise missiles or torpedoes, both GPS guided.

Two problems. GPS is not real useful (except for "mid course guidance perhaps), when the targets can move. GPS doesn't always work well inside a building, let alone under salt water. Those missiles and torpedoes need some kind of active or passive seeker head, which they of course have.

107 posted on 08/25/2008 6:28:55 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mikhailovich
chainsaws and diesel fuel.

Chainsaws don't use diesel fuel. They use regular gasoline mixed with "two cycle" oil. Some have electric motors instead. Might even be some battery powered ones. Although I'd hate to have to lug around either a battery powered one, or one with a diesel engine, which are heavier than comparable power gasoline engines. Two cycle gasoline engines (cars use 4 cycle engines, lawnmowers may use either) are lighter, and can be operated at all attitudes.

108 posted on 08/25/2008 6:34:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mikhailovich
chainsaws and diesel fuel.

Chainsaws don't use diesel fuel. They use regular gasoline mixed with "two cycle" oil. Some have electric motors instead. Might even be some battery powered ones. Although I'd hate to have to lug around either a battery powered one, or one with a diesel engine, which are heavier than comparable power gasoline engines. Two cycle gasoline engines (cars use 4 cycle engines, lawnmowers may use either) are lighter, and can be operated at all attitudes.

109 posted on 08/25/2008 6:34:25 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

“Those missiles and torpedoes need some kind of active or passive seeker head, which they of course have.”

Inertial guidance is pretty good. In the sixties my ship left Mayport Florida did a 9 month Med cruise and docked at a different dock when it got back. The SINS system knew all about it. This was WAY before GPS.


110 posted on 08/25/2008 6:57:01 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida (McCain Swiftboated the Swift Boat Vets for Truth - Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: El Gato

The GPS info is loaded into the Harpoon, then when it reaches target proximity, it switches on its seeker
function. This enables the firing platform to engage other targets without continuous tracking after launch.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm


111 posted on 08/25/2008 8:47:56 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: El Gato
A sub might make it through at night and at periscope depth without being seen, if the Turks looked the other way that is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Whatever you say! I am not going to loose lip and sink ship.

112 posted on 08/25/2008 9:09:18 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: El Gato
Chainsaws don't use diesel fuel.

Diesel to burn the brush, ya big dummy

geez...lol

113 posted on 08/26/2008 3:11:08 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
Diesel to burn the brush, ya big dummy

How smelly. Brush should smell good as it burns, not like a bus in need of a fuel injector tune up.

Maybe a little gasoline, which is cheaper anyway, to get it started. But brush that needs chopping is usually pretty dry, or if it isn't you let it dry for a few days after you cut it and then you burn it.

BTW, this Big Dummy, is about 50 miles, or 95 km, from where President Bush does his brush chopping, and we've got even more of the stuff down here.

114 posted on 08/26/2008 4:44:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sunnyflorida
Inertial guidance is pretty good

Yes it can be, but generally not a system that needs a Boomer to carry it around. A missile sized one is not that great... but probably good enough for "fly out" purposes.

115 posted on 08/26/2008 4:46:47 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Candor7
The GPS info is loaded into the Harpoon, then when it reaches target proximity, it switches on its seeker function. This enables the firing platform to engage other targets without continuous tracking after launch.
116 posted on 08/26/2008 4:49:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Candor7
Oops, that again

The GPS info is loaded into the Harpoon, then when it reaches target proximity, it switches on its seeker function. This enables the firing platform to engage other targets without continuous tracking after launch.

That's what I meant by "mid course guidance".

117 posted on 08/26/2008 4:51:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Yep, we on the same page.

BTW, that page reference was almost too comprehensive, I learned they were going to build an advanced version but they canned it at the end of the cold war. I mean all you would have to do is say the name of the target to it. LOL.

Well not quite, but made good reading.

118 posted on 08/26/2008 7:05:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: mikhailovich; El Gato
El Gato,

Seeing your passionate posts in 108 and 109 and given the quality of your other posts on this thread, I feel that you are somehow more capable of a more complete dissertation on chainsaws than the given evidence shows. ;->

On brush clearing, you know that flachettes are the way to go [grenade-cooked flamebait gently rolled to your feet].

119 posted on 08/26/2008 7:34:49 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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