Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.
A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.
Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.
In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.
This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
Michael Faraday quote...after several posts of asking and you failing to provide a single one....I provide my own.
In a letter ( 1844) to Lady Lovelace, he (Faraday) noted, “In my intercourse with my fellow creatures that which is religious and that which is philosophical have ever been distinct things.”
This is the opposite of a Creation Scientist philosophy that supposes that Scientific finding must always be bent to their understanding of the “Biblical” six thousand year old universe, worldwide flood, etc.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pf/Michael_Faraday.html
The YEC’ers most certainly claim Faraday as one of their own. But most of what I am running across is coming from secular articles and biographies. For instance, the Philosophy and History of Science Dept. of Kyoto University also states that the core doctrine of Faraday's church consisted of a “rigid and literal” interpretation of the Bible. And while I can't locate a specific Faraday quote for you, according to one of his secular biographers (Geoffrey N. Cantor), Faraday accepted Genesis as the true account of God's creation. And not only that, Faraday used the principles he learned from the Bible to guide his research. For instance, his interpretation of the Bible led him to believe that the universe is tightly ordered by divine providence, thus his work on the economy of nature.
The list goes on and on. Again, I think it's time you faced the cold, hard truth. Faraday was a “rigid” biblical literalist. His understanding of the Bible helped guide his research. And as a biblical literalist, he believed in a literal interpretation of Genesis. You are quite right to hold Faraday's monumental scientific accomplishments in high regard. But let's face it, if he were alive today you would deny his status as a scientist and call him “stupid”...just as you do with respect to modern creation scientists who hold virtually identical beliefs.
When Faraday explained to me why the universe was not several billions of years old because one had to rely upon the Bible and not Science then I would claim he was stupid. He was not. He was smart enough to say...
“In my intercourse with my fellow creatures that which is religious and that which is philosophical have ever been distinct things.” Faraday
LOL. Let’s not let Faraday’s actual words get in the way GGG’s fantasies.
But suppose Faraday was a Biblical literalist. Isn’t it interesting that he didn’t distort his scientific findings?
It’s really a credit to honesty of the early eighteenth century Brits that they so desperately wanted science to prove the literal word of the Bible, but were willing to put this aside when it didn’t work out. I guess they had the example of Galileo and Newton to follow.
Yes it most certainly is! And why do you have to run to litigation every time?
So your solution is to silence the majority and censor and sue them into silence to the point that THEY have to pay BOTH their share in private school AND the godless liberal public share TOO?
Oh and if that’s not bad enough, once the Christian kids graduate, you STILL get judges to rule they can’t go to certain colleges because they weren’t programmed in godlessness!?
Here’s an idea...let the godless teach what THEY want on THEIR dime and leave decent Americans alone! And we won’t even force you to pay for ours, OR sue you if you apply for college!
But then, that’s the difference I guess when you actually HAVE a moral compass vs. those that are so self-absorbed they have no idea what a moral compass is!
But yeah, I knew it had nothing to do with science. Searching for answers to fill in the holes “we just are”, “randomly showed up here”, “by chance accident with no purpose” is NOT forcing religion on anyone.
“Electricity is often called wonderful, beautiful; but it is so only in common with the other forces of nature. The beauty of electricity or of any other force is not that the power is mysterious, and unexpected, touching every sense at unawares in turn, but that it is under law, and that the taught intellect can even govern it largely. The human mind is placed above, and not beneath it, and it is in such a point of view that the mental education afforded by science is rendered super-eminent in dignity, in practical application and utility; for by enabling the mind to apply the natural power through law, it conveys the gifts of God to man.”
— Michael Faraday, Notes for a Friday Discourse at the Royal Institution (1858
What Tacticalogic really means is that he wants people to be forced to pay for his religion’s creation story (read: Darwinism) to be taught in our public schools to the exclusion of all other creation stories. And to add insult to injury, he wants the public schools to teach our children to call his religion’s creation story “science.”
Well, of course. Anyone knows it’s not about the science...you can tell that by the posts...
but their hate of god is so profound it precludes them from the truth to the point they misunderstand not only science but religion, the Constitution and just about everything else!
Yup....and all these guys are stupid too:
www.dissentfromdarwin.org
Wow G, that doesn’t sound like a man that puts his scientific beliefs above his religious beliefs...
funny that!
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Then it's time to remove tax exempt status from religions who want to impose their religious political views on the public.
Like this?
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That looks like a massive imposing of one's religious views on politics to me.
It was Christianity that influenced the founding fathers and gave us the government we have today. The one that gives you the right to spit in its face.
That looks like a massive imposing of one's religious views on politics to me.
It was Christianity that influenced the founding fathers and gave us the government we have today. The one that gives you the right to spit in its face.
Read up on David Hume. He went to church every week. He was a Deist. In his own words to the French Court, he was a committed atheist. His philosophy dominated Revolutionary America. The words you cite are the words of Deists. Deists agreed with Christians in that no man could enslave man by claiming divine rights such as the many monarchs before. This idea is as old as Judaism where God is given ultimate authority. The Jews had had it with Pharaohs who claimed a divine right to have their way with the people. This history was not lost on the Founders. They also included the first Amendment to preclude the state from establishing a religion to recreate the mischief of the past.
Only the Christians? I recall the Jews wrote Genesis. The Hindus believe in a cyclical Universe. I'm sure other religions have their own versions.
There are many Christians who believe and teach Genesis figuratively.
You want the schools to teach their children a "Christian worldview" which according to you means that have to believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis.
You want to take their parent's tax money to pay for YEC creationist texts, and pay the teachers to teach them that interpretation in class and tell them that the religious beliefs they grew up with, that they learned from their parents and at their churches are wrong. You want those parents to pay the Creationists and the teachers to try and convert them to your particular religious beliefs.
What I mean is, I'll take care of my children's religious education as I see fit, and you'll keep your nose out of it.
The flaw in your logic is that you assume you are the majority, and speak for all Christians.
There are many Christians who believe and teach Genesis figuratively.
OK, so put it to a vote and allow families to decide! Why the need to sue if your presumptions are correct?
You want the schools to teach their children a “Christian worldview” which according to you means that have to believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis.
If that were true, I’d be just like you and pro-suing and pro-banning and pro-censoring, but the REALITY is all along I’ve had no problem with tgeaching evolution theory. My argument ALL ALONG has been for equal time between ID and evolution.
You want to take their parent’s tax money to pay for YEC creationist texts, and pay the teachers to teach them that interpretation in class and tell them that the religious beliefs they grew up with, that they learned from their parents and at their churches are wrong.
Again, if this were the case, evolution would have never seen the light of day. Now YOU are censoring for the exact extremem reasons you fear, and it’s got zero to do with science...it’s pretty plain to see you want to enforce your godless worldview religion on young minds and control all the money.
You’ll ultimately fail.
You want those parents to pay the Creationists and the teachers to try and convert them to your particular religious beliefs.
You’re floundering again.,..it’s YOUR side censoring and suing to conform ALL children to your godless worldview cult of junk science, not the other way around.
This is exactly why godless schools are failed...censorship is always wrong and won’t stand in a free society, and it’s why private schools and homeschooling are on the rise and getting closer and closer to the tipping point of breaking the chains around godless liberal failed public schools!
You have yet to provide a single example of Creationists being sued. Your “Christian worldview” comments are recorded up thread. You lie.
As I’ve told you so many times already, reading is fundamental.
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