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The Pain Game - A military response to Russia's aggression?
Weekly Standard ^ | 8-14-08 | Stuart Koehl

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:01:26 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo

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1 posted on 08/16/2008 11:01:26 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Jeff Head

Ping.


2 posted on 08/16/2008 11:07:15 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

It`s what we`ve been saying from the get-go.

Ship tons of MANPADS and TOWs to the Georgians.


3 posted on 08/16/2008 11:07:18 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: SeafoodGumbo

I wonder if Putin has to be disappointed too that the price of oil has declined, not spiked, following the invasion.


4 posted on 08/16/2008 11:12:41 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: Para-Ord.45

How about keeping it low tech? For example, captured Iranian EFP IEDs, etc.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 11:14:52 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: afortiori

The Georgian veterans of Iraq may have learned much about those weapons.


6 posted on 08/16/2008 11:17:45 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Is there time to supply them? What if Russian amrmor makes a move on Tiblisi? Does anyone think the US could deploy air power (lots within striking distance) to take out the Russian armor?


7 posted on 08/16/2008 11:37:55 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Yah, let’s stockpile our latest and best stuff in Georgia for the Ruskies to liberate.


8 posted on 08/16/2008 11:44:58 AM PDT by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

This might work if the Russians fight like wimps, but if they decide to level the cities - the cities will be leveled....from 30,000 feet. To stop that you need Real SAMs and F-15s.

The question right now is what will America risk over Georgia instead of, if we had proper leadership in this country, what will Russia risk.

The biggest worry shouldn’t be US worrying about how to respond - the biggest worry should be the Russian’s worrying about what the US response is going to do to them.

In fact if that worry had been big enough the Russians would not have moved in at all.

We need a much bigger powerful military supported by a draft. A volunteer force is great against enemies like Panama Grenada Iraq Yugoslavia but it won’t be strong enough for China or Russia.

Or maybe Georgia is at fault...either way the U.S. military is too small to wage a big war.


9 posted on 08/16/2008 11:46:37 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Riodacat
And if we dump pallet loads of Stinger missiles over there, what if one of them shows up at the end of a US airport runway?

Conveniently liberated by the Russians, then smuggled to a willing jihadi sleeper cell over here? Then who will be blamed? Bush, not Putin.

10 posted on 08/16/2008 11:57:30 AM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
" Most people have been grossly exaggerating Russian military strength "
I never " grossly exaggerate " what the Russians can do, because, I just don't trust them or the Chinese.
11 posted on 08/16/2008 12:06:35 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
" They can't even resort to the time honored tactic of butchering the local population of Ossetia and Abkhazia, since these are now "Russian citizens," having been granted passports by the Russian government (thereby doing Hitler one better: there actually were Germans in the Sudetenland, but Putin had to invent his downtrodden "Russian" minority in Georgia). "

What makes us think that Putin would not kill his own citizens than Saddam Hussein killing his own citizens ?
12 posted on 08/16/2008 12:30:05 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

What alternate universe is this guy living in?

In the real world, the Russians took only minutes to smash the Georgian military and send them fleeing. Now he wants Georgia to try again?

That’s like telling the Iraqi Republican Guard that they’d be able to defeat the US military the second time around as long as they have a few SAMs available.

Not going to happen in this reality, perhaps there are some alternate realities available to this writer through the powerful drugs he’s taking.


13 posted on 08/16/2008 12:46:22 PM PDT by Maximilian
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That’s like telling the Iraqi Republican Guard that they’d be able to defeat the US military the second time around as long as they have a few SAMs available.

Look at what the insurgency did to us. If Kerry won in 2004, the IRG would have won.

The problem with this idea is the Russians are not civilized. They will have no problem killing every civilian in Georgia. Is that a price Georgians want to pay for their freedom? We should have supplied them with modern weapons before the Russians invaded. Better late than never though.

If the Russians do honor the cease fire and pull back, we should supply the Georgians with these weapons and then blow up the tunnel. That would make supplying Ossedia much harder and expensive.

14 posted on 08/16/2008 1:10:14 PM PDT by Tramonto (Regime change in Russia)
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Look at what the insurgency did to us. If Kerry won in 2004, the IRG would have won.

What did they do -- blow up a few bombs? Militarily the "insurgency" compared to the US Military was never more than a flea compared to an elephant. President Bush had the political will to demonstrate that fact, but it was always the objective reality, no matter who won the 2004 election.

The same is true in Georgia, only more so. Unlike the US in Iraq, Russia is fighting on their own doorstep. The "insurgents" in this case are pro-Russian. The Ossetians want to be part of Russia, not Georgia.

So you want to send weapons to Georgia so that they can fight the Russian military and the native population of Ossetians? And why is this something other than madness?

15 posted on 08/16/2008 1:28:57 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian; All

No, the Ossetians who are not slavic,or Christian, but muslem, with a linguistic tie to Albainian want to be part of a Ossetian national group North Ossetia in Russia. The Georgian part of Ossetia (south Ossetia) held a plebisite and voted to join with the Russian part. And their effort was being put down by the Georgian government.They do not consider themselves “Russians” per se but “Ossetians” extending into a Ossetian AR (associated state). To them the Russian passport is nothing more than a piece of paper. Abkazia was a different problem, and was invaded by the Russians because of oil.

The MSM keeps repeating the Russian position .The irony is a greater Ossetia could be a problem for the Ruskys


16 posted on 08/16/2008 2:14:39 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Ask your favorite dem.if they voted for those poisonous CFLs their party backed)
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To: jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; ...

What can be done ping.


17 posted on 08/16/2008 2:37:47 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: elhombrelibre

How about nuke moscow.


18 posted on 08/16/2008 2:40:06 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I’m with you in spirit.


19 posted on 08/16/2008 2:40:59 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

The President says that Russia must leave ALL Georgian territory. They’re not so arming Georgia has to be the next option. Arm them up and blow the Roki tunnel and the rail line into Abkhazia. Give the Russians no retreat and let Georgia wipe them out.


20 posted on 08/16/2008 3:11:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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