In fact, it is not clear just who "Rob" is himself; here is what WOAI has to say about him:
Rob is the blogger behind "Rob's No Bull Zone" on woai.com. All we know for sure about him is that he's United States Air Force Retired. Everything else is a mystery.So let's not get too excited about this little purported "factoid" just yet.http://www.woai.com/content/bios/story.aspx?content_id=6112cfe1-082f-4139-8824-f2e31be1c09b
On the other hand, are there any Freepers with Canadian genealogical and/or birth records experience who could shed some light on Rob's assertion?
Now a Canadian birth, in August of 1961, is not at all out of the realm of the possible; remember, we know that Stanley Ann Dunham and the newborn Barry Jr had surfaced in Seattle, Washington, at the very beginning of 1962, already alone and abandoned by the birth father [presumably Barack Hussein Obama Sr]:
Obama's mother known here as "uncommon"So it's not at all unthinkable that Stanley Ann Dunham could have gone "home" to the state of Washington, sometime in 1961, most likely to escape the embarrassment of having her friends at the University of Hawaii witness her developing out-of-wedlock pregnancy.
By Jonathan Martin
Seattle Times staff reporter
Tuesday, April 8, 2008
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html...By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill...
Beyond that, it's not much more difficult to imagine that Stanley Ann Dunham might have wanted to cross over into Canada to give birth to her child:
1) Stanley Ann knew that the child would be mulatto, which would have caused a fair amount of controversy in and of itself, and the miscegenation aspects of the child's conception might actually have been illegal in many American jurisdictions of the era.So a Canadian birth for Barack Hussein [Mohamed?] Obama Soetoro Dunham is not at all out of the realm of the possible.2) Hers had been an adulterous union with the married Barack Hussein Obama Sr, who had a wife and a son back in Kenya.
3) The whole mess was further complicated by the question of whether the 24-year-old Barack Hussein Obama Sr might have committed statutory rape when he engaged in coitus with the [presumably] 17-year-old Stanley Ann Dunham, back in November of 1960.
And for anyone who wonders about the importance of a Canadian birth: If one of the parents was a foreigner, and if the birth took place on foreign soil, then the child is not eligible for American birth citizenship unless the American birth parent had lived in the United States, as an American citizen, and AS AN ADULT, for five years.
But Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18, not 23, when Barack Jr was born, and so, if it was a Canadian birth, then Barack Jr does not qualify for American birth citizenship, and is constitutionally ineligible to assume the presidency [unless maybe the birth was on "American soil", in Canada, such as on the grounds of the American embassy - do they deliver babies at the embassy?].
Hussein Obama is unelectable because he is a radical leftist and the more the electorate learns about him the less inclined they will vote him in. But, it gives an advantage for Hillary in that the attention given Hussein Obama by McCain and the RNC gives her cover. If the challenge comes after he presumably receives the nomination, and I might add that Edwards is now out of the way, he becomes disqualified to run, Hillary could hit the ground running putting the race into an unbelievable turn of events. It also may unify the democvrats much more than they are now.
I realize this takes quite a leap of faith but, I do not buy the fact that the power brokers of the DNC do not think for a moment that Hussein Obama is electable. Just a thought I had....
Bump.
Question:
Isn’t 17 very young for the mother to be enrolled in college?
....Bob
Five more and he's a cat.
If he was born in a foreign country the law governing his status was passed in 1994 and made retroactive to December 24, 1952.
Here is the law:
a. As amended by Public Law 103-416 on October 25, 1994, section 301 states as follows with respect to persons born abroad:
b. Sec. 301. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
g. a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
Note that this condition applies retroactively to Obama, as the following condition makes clear:
l. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION:
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the immigration and nationality laws of the United States shall be applied (to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act) as though the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), had been in effect as of the date of their birth, except that the retroactive application of the amendment and that subsection shall not affect the validity of citizenship of anyone who has obtained citizenship under section 1993 of the Revised Statutes (as in effect before the enactment of the Act of May 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 797)).
(2) The retroactive application of the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), shall not confer citizenship on, or affect the validity of any denaturalization, deportation or exclusion action against, any person who is or was excludable from the United States under section 212(a)(3)(E) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182 (a)(3)(E)) (or predecessor provision) or who was excluded from, or who would not have been eligible for admission to, the United States under the Displaced Persons 1948 or under section 14 of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953.
This information comes from pp. 15-17 of the following U.S. State Department document:
7 FAM 1130
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY
BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENT
which is available in PDF format here:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
In 1961 Stanley Ann Dunham had lived in the United States for more than five years, two of which were after her 14th birthday. Obama is a natural born American citizen and therefore qualified to run for President under the Constitution. Much as I might prefer that not be so.
Credit for the above legal research is due to fellow FReeper snarks_when-bored. And it seems to kill the Obama is not a citizen theory dead.
If his mother was a US citizen would it matter that he was born in Canada?? Wouldn’t he still be a US citizen? Someone nicely tell me what I am missing!
I’ve been following this birth certificate thing with a degree of mild interest in the technical explanations and the genealogical implications.
Since we are all engaging in wild speculation at this stage, I’ll throw something else into the mix. There was a time in this country that families were willing to go to great lengths to conceal certain events that they considered to be a source of embarrasment amongst their circle of friends and neighbors. There was an entire cottage industry operating homes for unwed mothers, for example. In 1961, the Dunhams may have been upset over the effect that her daughter’s relationship would have in their social and business circles. I lived in Hawaii back then, and it was a melting pot, but not amongst the elite families and the Dunhams may have been wannabes.
Connected families can make all sorts of things happen. My great great grandfather was a Civil War hero, chairman of a Congressional Committee, and prominent attorney. Late in life, he married his daughter-in-law (she was a widow). All of the mavens and no doubt others went to great lengths to cover this up. Years later when I dug up the evidence there was a great hue and cry - I still have great aunts who won’t speak to me. But, someone helped things disappear from the public records and they almost did it right.
There is something fishy about BO and his COLB, just not sure what it is.
Is this true?
**I do believe the Obama campaign may have a big surprise come nomination day. **
The Clintoons are still at work? Perhaps??
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