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To: GourmetDan

In other words, the conclusions reached by evolution apologists, based on observations of the SAME EVIDENCE as evolution skeptics,

are reached by presupposing that evolution is the mechanism, and that the natural/material existance is all that there is.


418 posted on 08/15/2008 11:47:19 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Well, except that the fallacy of exclusion has been layered on top of the philosophy of naturalism between it and the circular reasoning of ‘natural selection’ because the beginning of life has been found (by real science) to be impossibly complex...

Yes sir. You are correct.


425 posted on 08/15/2008 12:03:03 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: MrB
"In other words, the conclusions reached by evolution apologists, based on observations of the SAME EVIDENCE as evolution skeptics, are reached by presupposing that evolution is the mechanism, and that the natural/material existance is all that there is."

According to Richard Lewontin, you are correct.

"It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." Richard Lewontin

439 posted on 08/15/2008 12:29:23 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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