Posted on 08/12/2008 2:10:58 AM PDT by Flashlight
Russian news reports are quoting President Dmitri Medvedev ordering a halt to Russian military action in Georgia.
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Give up the bluster, willya? Allies such as whom? The USA? Oh. You mean the country who voted 50% for Gore and then Kerry? The country that is currently polling ahead for an otherwise admitted Marxist?
The one where most "true conservatives" would rather see us defeated in Iraq and our economy taxed to shambles by that Marxist rather than see their prcious GOP diluted by a elder-pol.
The one where the largest propaganda factory in the world (Hollywood) is staunchly behind the socialists and only allows movies to be made with anti-war, anti-American bias?
What, exactly, is Ivan supposed to be afraid of?
I think I heard somewhere that while Russia has called a halt to the operation, it has also given a green light “targets pockets of resistance” regardless.
Things do seem to be winding down but it might not be instant.
Don’t try and spin it. I take no sides. Both sides in the dispute have blood on their hands. Both sides hold equal blame for years of bloodshed and meddling. The dispute isn’t black and white.
If you can’t see that this was a simple Russian solution to a problem then more fool you. The Russians used the big stick to achieve their aims. They will repeat as necessary until the Georgians get the message to stay away from the annexed territories.
5 minutes ago
TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — Georgian government says Russia planes continued bombings despite Kremlin saying fighting over.
[Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an end to military operation]
Fox and Friends just had Gov. Keane(sp) on the show taking to him as a possible VP choice for obama. Fox ran obama’s response to Russia’s aggression by calling for an immediate cease fire and asked the Gov. for his impression.
The idiot governor actually said he was glad to see that Medvedev listened to obama and ceased fire.
Unbelievable.
It's similar to the way the U.S. maintains bases and forces in other countries, as a springboard for possible action. We do not control or occupy Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. but we do not want them in hostile hands.
As for U.N. peacekeeping forces, they are a joke, as Rwanda and Lebanon show.
The Georgian President is speaking at a rally in Tiblisi.....he states he will get revenge on the Russians and from his tones he has not finished yet....
Regards the Russians the ceasefire appears to be conditional that the Georgians retreat....they are not and so the Russians continue to bombard Georgian positions
two more updates - doesn’t sound like this is over to me
Georgia just announced its pulling out of the CIS
and
BP is closing the pipeline through Georgia
Sky source
Now the punk Sakashvili and his thugs need to get out of Georgia.
How about a nice gig at Harvard or another leftie institution in the “west”?
When Georgia sought independence, again.......the Russians immediately made sure they could continue to use the ploy.
The people who live in both areas are essentially useless to Georgia as they as considered to be Russian sympathizers and they are not what you would want for your country's future, however.......the land is important, especially in S. Ossecia.
Russia can try to annex it, which is essentially the same thing they have done since 1921, but that won't solve any issues. The Muslim area in the far west has not caused nearly as much grief, and frankly, I don't think anyone gives a rats ass, and the land is not very good at all. This was never a issue for this latest invasion, yet the Russians did their best to make it one.
Russia does not want the people they claim to protect. They are only pawns in a strategic game.
This is where I think the UN can help. On the surface, a deal can be made, but given what I just said about hidden motives, the Russians will never agree to anything.....Not even 100% annexation because they want the issue, not the places.
There were no war crimes committed by Georgia. The seperatists in SO, along with their Russian puppet masters have been launching rocket attacks on Georgian villages for years. Georgia responded...inadvisably and clumsily but they were attacked and provoked. The Russians are just throwing our fiasco in Kosovo back in our faces by talking about genocide and war crimes and demanding regime change.
Has anybody else noticed that an inordinate number of the ‘apologists’ on these threads signed up in 2000??
Jus’ sayin’....
“Don’t try and spin it. I take no sides. Both sides in the dispute have blood on their hands. Both sides hold equal blame for years of bloodshed and meddling. The dispute isn’t black and white.
If you can’t see that this was a simple Russian solution to a problem then more fool you. The Russians used the big stick to achieve their aims. They will repeat as necessary until the Georgians get the message to stay away from the annexed territories.”
Taking no sides? You clearly are stating at best moral equivalence and since what gives Russia the right to bomb and shell people throughout the sovereign nation of Georgia?
I and many here absolutely fail to see the “simple Russian solution” and no, we are not fools.
This was not about having Georgia “stay away” from its sovereign or as you call it “annexed” territories. This was a premeditated plan executed with overwhelming military force, planned and executed by Pukey himself.
Are you a Putin supporter or Russian ultra nationalist that does not respect any nation’s sovereign borders? We’d like to know more about your “Russian solution(s).”
“Now the punk Sakashvili and his thugs need to get out of Georgia.”
Do you make this suggestion as a mouthpiece of Putin or do you always take kindly to overthrowing democratic governments?
Just wondering.
BBC reporter in Gori says its been quiet there for the past few hours with some police cars even returning to the streets.
The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.
The Russians rightly expect Westerners to turn on themselves, rather than Moscow — and they won’t be disappointed. Imagine the morally equivalent fodder for liberal lament: We were unilateral in Iraq, so we can’t say Russia can’t do the same to Georgia. (As if removing a genocidal dictator is the same as attacking a democracy). We accepted Kosovo’s independence, so why not Ossetia’s? (As if the recent history of Serbia is analogous to Georgia’s.) We are still captive to neo-con fantasies about democracy, and so encouraged Georgia’s efforts that provoked the otherwise reasonable Russians (As if the problem in Ossetia is our principled support for democracy rather than appeasement of Russian dictatorship).
From what the Russians learned of the Western reaction to Iraq, they expect their best apologists will be American politicians, pundits, professors, and essayists — and once more they will not be disappointed. We are a culture, after all, that after damning Iraqi democracy as too violent, broke, and disorganized, is now damning Iraqi democracy as too conniving, rich, and self-interested — the only common denominator being whatever we do, and whomever we help, cannot be good.
Are you as ignorant of the events of the last 6 months or are you just a mouthpiece of fascists like Sakashvili?
That's about the tenth time you've used that term "Final Solution". I'm sure you're aware of it's negative implications. It stands out in all your posts, especially since there is nothing final about this little Soviet style adventure. To think otherwise is extremely myopic
No longer will Georgia or Georgian sepratists be able to sit from inside Georgia and shell South Ossetia.
But the truth of the matter is that the seperatists in SO are the ones who've been shelling Georgia and are the one's who provoked this entire episode. But feel free to push the Soviet style propoganda all you want.
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