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On Slog to Safety, Seething at West-(Asking When is NATO coming?)
NY TIMES ^ | 8/10/08 | By ANDREW E. KRAMER and ELLEN BARRY

Posted on 08/11/2008 4:35:33 PM PDT by Flavius

In retreat, the Georgian soldiers were so tired they could not keep from stumbling. Their arms were loaded with rucksacks and ammunition boxes; they had dark circles under their eyes. Officers ran up and down the line, barking for them to go faster.

All along the road was grief. Old men pushed wheelbarrows loaded with bags or led cows by tethers. They drove tractors and rickety Ladas packed with suitcases and televisions.

As a column of soldiers passed through Gori, a black-robed priest came out of his church and made the sign of the cross again and again.

One soldier, his face a mask of exhaustion, cradled a Kalashnikov.

“We killed as many of them as we could,” he said. “But where are our friends?”

It was the question of the day. As Russian forces massed Sunday on two fronts, Georgians were heading south with whatever they could carry. When they met Western journalists, they all said the same thing: Where is the United States? When is NATO coming?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: causasus; geopolitics; georgia; nato; war
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When they met Western journalists, they all said the same thing: Where is the United States? When is NATO coming?

Well, they can expect awesome speeches, and I imagine the rest of the borders states with Russia should understand that they are alone as well. I suppose this was partially the point of this little Russian stretching of legs.

1 posted on 08/11/2008 4:35:33 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

I don’t think Georgia is a member of NATO or the EU.


2 posted on 08/11/2008 4:39:14 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Republicus2001

No they just assumed that if they are pro western that means something. But no one told them it means nothing.

Off course now they know.


3 posted on 08/11/2008 4:40:53 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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To: Flavius

“Where is the United States? When is NATO coming?”

Interesting questions. They should ask their own leaders whether the United States and Nato were informed of the ill-made plans to capture the territory while all the world leaders were away at Beijing?


4 posted on 08/11/2008 4:42:37 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Flavius

I can picture the editors at the New York Times. “Write two stories, one blasting the US for getting involved, and another blasting the US for not getting involved. We’ll decide which one to run when we see what happens”.


5 posted on 08/11/2008 4:44:17 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Republicus2001

Even if Geogria was a member of NATO, methinks the the Eurowienies would find an excuse to do nothing.


6 posted on 08/11/2008 4:48:35 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Flavius
When is NATO coming?

Georgia is not a member of NATO.

Not sure NATO is ready to crank up WWIII over a poorly planned attempt at cross checking the Russians.

Did they really expect Putin to just let it go? They are RIGHT THERE across the border.

About like Mexico trying to recapture Texas.

7 posted on 08/11/2008 4:52:38 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Republicus2001

I love how we send hundreds of billions of dollars in aid and military assistance to anti-america states when they have a tsunami or AIDS problem - yet we aren’t helping a pro west state?


8 posted on 08/11/2008 4:54:32 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (Where's Michele??)
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To: Flavius

nytimes alert.


9 posted on 08/11/2008 4:55:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: rbg81; Republicus2001; Flavius
I'm going to come right out and just say this. Who in their right mind would stand up to the Russians? Do you know the history of war against Russia, especially wars that start around this time of year? Plus the fact that they still have an unknown number of nukes. Georgia isn't worth starting WWIII over, sorry.

Patton was right - we should have incorporated the Germans into our army and taken them right after WWII, when we had the men, material, momentum, and leadership. It would have been less costly in treasure, possibly in lives (think Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea, and all the innocents murdered by Stalin and Mao) as well as having destroyed the financial and ideological base from which our own internal enemies, the Democrat Party, have sprung.

I understand why no one wanted to do it - we had just won a huge war that cost 330,000 American lives, the second costliest war we ever fought. If we had nuked Moscow, and advanced the combined American and German forces into Russia, the world would have been a completely different place. Of course, my opinion is worth the paper it's written on in this forum.

One more thing. If you think the liberals are annoying now, how do you think they'd act if we attacked Russia? They'd finally work up the balls to stage the coup they've always wanted to stage, but never had the courage. Then we'd be fighting them inside our own borders. Of course, the fight with them would be a real battle, of the kind we can easily win.

I know, I know, I'm a nut case.

10 posted on 08/11/2008 4:57:07 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: xsrdx
About like Mexico trying to recapture Texas.

With millions of illegals already in Texas, recapturing it would probably be pointless. Texas is part of the balkanization of the American southwest...And beyond.

11 posted on 08/11/2008 5:02:58 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Hardastarboard

well thats all fine, my only point is that these new “free” pro democracy and EU chart member Ovaltine club prospects.

Should understand that they are not to in anyway upset the bear on their border.

Incidentally how enthusiastic will the Poland and/or Czech republic be with the new missile shield on their turf.


12 posted on 08/11/2008 5:06:07 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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To: Cementjungle
“Write two stories, one blasting the US for getting involved, and another blasting the US for not getting involved. We’ll decide which one to run when we see what happens”.

I heard NPR's Daniel Schorr pompously saying the USA hasn't done anything.... as if this were a situation that has gone on forever.

Idiot, he would be saying the opposite if we DID do anything.

Don't ask me why I was listening, it was an accident.

13 posted on 08/11/2008 5:10:15 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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Don't ask me why I was listening, it was an accident.

No reason to be shy about that.
Listening to NPR/PBS is called "Opposition Research".

Besides we help pay the salaries at NPR/PBS, we might as well
find out what these dangerous loons are squawking about!
14 posted on 08/11/2008 5:17:20 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Flavius
Where is the United States? When is NATO coming?

That's easy.
You're not Muslims.

Sadly, that would almost seem to be an operative factor in today's
USA/NATO "rescue missions".
15 posted on 08/11/2008 5:19:47 PM PDT by VOA
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Where is the West, where is NATO”?

Suing for peace to try and salvage something out of this war, that being a Democratic Georgian State, not a Moscow puppet.

War is politics by other means, the Georgians, though righteous, made a grave error, better to cut losses then to prod the Bear when you cannot fight well.

I bet there are Chechens smiling bitterly at the moment.


16 posted on 08/11/2008 5:25:44 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: padre35

Well...those former Soviet Republics can kiss their short lived freedom goodbye, by the West doing absolutely nothing they have been condemned to become Russian puppet states.

The Cold War has officially started again.


17 posted on 08/11/2008 5:31:28 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (The Viper, given our enemies a chance to die for their country...)
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To: Shermy

How long is going to take people to realize that Russia started this? They have been planning this for a long time and it’s obvious to anyone who has paid any attention to the situation.


18 posted on 08/11/2008 5:32:31 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (John McCain 2008!)
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To: Blue Scourge

Depends Blue Scourge, if they continue on their present paths, then more then likely, if they deviate, and take the Swiss model of a seriously armed citizenry and neutrality, then perhaps not.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 5:35:04 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

How long is going to take people to realize that Russia started this? They have been planning this for a long time and it’s obvious to anyone who has paid any attention to the situation.”

Exactly, this thing was scripted down to the hour. Mortar fire, incursions into Georgian airspace, shooting down of UAV’s in Georgian airspace, the movement of artillery and more “peacekeepers” into Georgia before anything was done against South Ossetia. And the invasion just so happened as many heads of state were gathered in Beijing.


20 posted on 08/11/2008 5:47:03 PM PDT by bereanway
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