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McCain prescient on Russia?
politico ^ | August 10, 2008

Posted on 08/10/2008 3:40:28 PM PDT by flyfree

When violence broke out in the Caucasus on Friday morning, John McCain quickly issued a statement that was far more strident toward the Russians than that of President Bush, Barack Obama and much of the West.

But, as Russian warplanes pounded Georgian targets far beyond South Ossetia this weekend, Bush, Obama and others have moved closer to McCain's initial position.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bush; foreignpolicy; georgia; mccain; obama; ossetia
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1 posted on 08/10/2008 3:40:28 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree
Um..........isn't this the same "McCain" that attempted to sponsor a Mexican army inside our borders?

I take any policy position of his with a grain of salt.

2 posted on 08/10/2008 3:51:25 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: flyfree
It's all talk. The Russians know they have nothing to fear. That's why they acted.
3 posted on 08/10/2008 3:52:53 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: flyfree

This is why Barack Obama wants national health care. So, at 3 o’clock in the morning, when he has to made a tough decision, he can be reasonably confident that he can get John McCain on the line.

As things may turn out for President Obama, John McCain might find himself in Oregon after a bad spill, while riding with some biker babes.


4 posted on 08/10/2008 3:56:19 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: flyfree
So McCain had a tougher statement than anyone else, so what?
If anyone thinks that Russian leaders give a rat's ass what any of our political say, you're living 15 years in the past.

5 posted on 08/10/2008 3:57:05 PM PDT by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: isrul

But the real question is why did Georgia launch their interior attack now?


6 posted on 08/10/2008 4:01:27 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: All

I do not consider McCain’s “take it to the UN Security Council” a strong statement. More like a weak globalist response.


7 posted on 08/10/2008 4:04:34 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (It's still COMMUNIST China)
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To: Riodacat

The Russian can see that the U.S. splits in two whenever a defense issues comes up and is now the weakest it has ever been.


8 posted on 08/10/2008 4:06:01 PM PDT by balls
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To: flyfree

Bottom line>>>>>... The Georgian pipeline is cutting into Russia’s market share or Crude and gas. With the planned extension to Ukraine, Caspian gas and oil will be able to reach well into central Europe without having to transit Russian pipelines. When the connecting infrastructure is completed, Russia would no longer control Europe’s energy supply and could no longer DICTATE the price of energy.


9 posted on 08/10/2008 4:45:51 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Plus it’s easy to make statements when you’re not in charge.

Shouldn’t he be offering our President support instead of his puffed up responses? i.e., “I trust the President and our government will come to the right response on this situation, and I am fully behind our President.”


10 posted on 08/10/2008 4:52:17 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: WellyP

Russia invaded Georgia over oil and energy?

I’m shocked... I dare say I’m shocked...


11 posted on 08/10/2008 5:12:19 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Thanks for the gut-buster of a laugh.

That was good.

12 posted on 08/10/2008 5:53:56 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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You know, I have had to admit McCain was right when I was ticked off a couple of times. He was right to say we needed more troops to invade, and right about more troops in Iraq when it wasn’t popular and Bush wouldn’t come along.

I had completely forgotten the fact that McCain was against Putin from the very start while Bush embraced him.

I still think McCain is off on other issues, but when it comes to national security/military issues it is very encouraging.


13 posted on 08/10/2008 6:30:40 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Crimson Elephant

It was McCain’s trips to Iraq, Afgh. and pushing for the “surge”
that helped change for the better the situation in Iraq
along with Gen. Petraus’s leadership.


14 posted on 08/10/2008 7:43:42 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; GulfBreeze; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; ...
The McCain List.

John McCain is exactly the right man we need as President next year to put Putin-Medvedev in their places. And unlike Obama, McCain has been to Georgia mutiple times and actually had his delegation helicopter fired at in 2006.

15 posted on 08/10/2008 9:26:51 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; calcowgirl; indylindy; TommyDale
What's with Georgia/Russia/South Ossetia thingy?

GAMEPLAN This is another McCain-Giuliani-Perle-Lieberman connection. McCain has spent a lot of time in Soviet Georgia. As has one of his top advisors/lobbyist, Randy Schneumann. Ex-NY Mayor Giuliani and his business partners are backing McCain. The current Prez of Soviet Georgia is a NY attorney, recruited in circa 1995 by Shevrednaze.

PREZ CANDIDATE RUDY GIULIANI HELD A CAMPAIGN FUND-RAISER IN KAZAKHSTAN. KAZAKHSTAN? WHERE IS KAZAKHSTAN? It is a former Soviet Union state, the only Central Asian country sharing borders with both Russia and China, and with states of nuclear-transit significance such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

GLOBAL STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE Kazakhstan is in the Strategic Energy Ellipse and is a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization with China and Russia. A focal point of influence between the West and the East.

WHAT IS KAZAKHSTAN'S MAIN INDUSTRY Kazakhstan aims to become the world’s largest producer and exporter of uranium in the next five years.

REFERENCE Giuliani Fund Raising Reaches Into Kazakhstan By MARY JACOBY, WS Journal, Sept 25, 2007; Page A6 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119068473680038294.html Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s campaign is looking for political cash this week in an unlikely place: Resource-rich Kazakhstan----- where Giulian, Republican front-runner’s law firm's two offices does substantial business in the often murky oil, gas and minerals industries. A fund-raising event in Almaty, the commercial center of the former Soviet republic, will mark the campaign’s third foray overseas for cash. --snip--

Oh, yeah Perle (snicker)

GET OUT YOUR BARF BAGS According to the Wall Street Journal, US gov't infiltrator, Richard Perle (a self-described "Republican," former Pentagon official, Lieberman buddy, and Giuliani flacker) is plotting to establish an oil business in Iraq. Yup--Iraq. Perle was one of the phony "security experts" who schemed and colluded to make the case for the US invading Iraq (later found to be based on false info manufactured by Douglas Feith on his home computer). The WSJ says the Perle oil deal is being discussed with officials of northern Iraq's Kurdistan regional government, including its Washington envoy, according to documents. It would involve a tract called K18, near the Kurdish city of Erbil.

NAUSEA ATTACK Nothing in US history compares to spilling the blood of young Americans and raining trillions of US tax dollars into Iraq to pave the way for Perle's business plans. Nothing.

16 posted on 08/11/2008 4:02:33 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz; TommyDale; indylindy
According to the Wall Street Journal, US gov't infiltrator, Richard Perle (a self-described "Republican," former Pentagon official, Lieberman buddy, and Giuliani flacker) is plotting to establish an oil business in Iraq. Yup--Iraq. Perle was one of the phony "security experts" who schemed and colluded to make the case for the US invading Iraq ....

No surprise there. Remember MEGA Oil company and the "Baku Boom"? Mega was Richard Secord's lil' Oil "enterprise" in Azerbaijan while he and his ex-CIA buds stirred stuff up, selling arms and providing war training to the locals.

So, is Perle and Co. just the newer generation of the now geriatric-age Iran-Contra bunch?

17 posted on 08/11/2008 11:16:38 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; indylindy; TommyDale
Nice observation. Perle has had a long undistinguished career.

Perle was responsile for extorting the US govt to dole out $450,000 PER MONTH to his pal Chalabi (Iraqi expatriate) in the years leading up to the invasion. Can you say kickback?

While claiming to be a "Republican" and holding a Pentagon position, two-faced Perle advised the American satellite maker, Loral Space and Communications (Loral's Bernie Schwartz was Clinton's pal), as it faced government accusations that it improperly transferred rocket technology to China (under Clinton).

(gag) "Republican" Perle contacted the senior official at the State Department considering the Loral matter. Mr. Perle has said he contacted the official, an assistant secretary, Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr., to inquire about the status of license requests by Loral to deliver the satellites that had been made for China. (Odd that a Bush Republican was helping a Clinton Democrat---sounds like the Lieberman gambit, eh?)

In another case, Perle was retained by the tele-com company Global Crossing (another Clinton apparat---and the company that made Dem head Terry McAuliffe a multi-millionaire) to help the company overcome resistance by the Defense Department to its proposed sale to a joint venture of Hutchison Whampoa, controlled by the Hong Kong billionaire Li Ka-shing, and Singapore Technologies Telemedia, a phone company controlled by the government of Singapore.

In that case, Perle and his lawyers had prepared to file an affidavit in the Global Crossing bankruptcy proceeding that said he was uniquely qualified to advise the company on the matter because of his job as head of the Defense Policy Board. But after a reporter raised questions about whether he was using his job at the Pentagon policy board for the benefit of a client, Perle and his lawyers revised the affidavit.

The inspector general's report said that "on its face, the affidavit would appear to violate Dept of Defense ethics regulations that prohibit the use of official position for personal gain."

Course Perle HAD NO IDEA.

Duh.

18 posted on 08/11/2008 11:43:37 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: calcowgirl
....is Perle and Co. just the newer generation of the now geriatric-age Iran-Contra bunch? .......

ROTFL.......Perle's still in the game. Now he's flacking pukeneo stooge Eric Cantor for McC's VP. Can't keep count of all the repetitive Cantor threads. The pukeneo stooges are going crazy.

STROLL DOWN MEMORY LANE T'was not so long ago when the pukeneos brought themeselves forth as "authentic conservatives" and infiltrated the Repub Party.

They annointed arch-Liberal, former Democrat Giuliani as their butt boy. When he flopped, they leashed up McC. The pukes threw away the facade and began kicking conservatives to the curb, and obsessively cleansing the Repub part of religion.

LET'S MAKE BOOK We need to start a pool to determine how long it will take Cantor to start kicking conservatives to the curb if McC is stupid enough to pick him for VP.

19 posted on 08/11/2008 12:04:29 PM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz
The 'Man of the Year,' Just 29 and Via Manhattan
New York Times
Jun 4, 1998
Sitting in his Manhattan office in the spring of 1995, Mikheil Saakashvili had every reason to look forward to a lucrative career as a big-city lawyer.

Only 26, he had attended schools in Kiev, Strasbourg and Florence, held a degree from Columbia Law School and was winning a reputation for diligence and legal talent. After nightfall he was likely to be found either at the Metropolitan Opera or cheering for the Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

Now he is a superstar of Georgian politics, hugely admired and widely viewed as having unlimited potential.

Mr. Saakashvili is among the most prominent of several dozen bright and energetic young people who are playing important roles in building a new post-Communist order here. The president of the central bank, Mikheil Chkuaseli, was a swiftly rising 27-year-old business manager when he was tapped for his new post last year. More recently, a 30-year-old World Bank official, Irakli Managadze, was named Finance Minister.

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Mr. Saakashvili's transformation from freewheeling New York lawyer to someone seen as a crusading hero of a struggling democracy began when an old friend, Zura Zhvania, arrived at his New York office with a remarkable offer. He said he had been sent by President Shevardnadze to recruit talented young Georgians to enter politics. The desired qualifications were intelligence, energy, idealism and no connection to the old Communist elite.

Georgia was then in chaos, staggering under the weight of corruption, separatist wars in breakaway provinces, deep poverty, pressure from a resentful Russia, and criminality so severe that few people dared to walk the streets after dark. Mr. Saakashvili quickly succumbed to his friend's appeal and went with his Dutch-born wife to Tbilisi, the Georgian capital.

When Georgians voted in national elections in December 1995, both Mr. Zhvania and Mr. Saakashvili won seats in Parliament. Since then, they have helped shape their country's resurrection and transition to democracy. Mr. Zhvania, now 34, is the president of Parliament. Mr. Saakashvili, 29, is chairman of a powerful committee charged with creating a new electoral system, an independent judiciary and a nonpolitical police force.

In public opinion surveys Mr. Saakashvili often rates as the second most popular person in Georgia, trailing only President Shevardnadze.

...


20 posted on 08/11/2008 12:04:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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