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Mechanics see ethanol damage small engines (Thank your Government)
MSNBC ^ | 8/1/2008 | Alex Johnson

Posted on 08/01/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by tobyhill

Rick Kitchings has been a small-engine mechanic for about 30 years, and he’s been busier than ever lately.

Recently, a customer came into his shop in Savannah, Ga., with a string trimmer that had barely been used. “It looked like it just came off the showroom floor, but the motor was absolutely shot, absolutely worn out,” Kitchings said.

The owner had fueled the trimmer with an gasoline-ethanol blend, which is becoming increasingly common thanks to a federal mandate to convert to biofuels.

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1 posted on 08/01/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

I’m not sure if ethanol (ethyl alcohol) does any damage to metal directly, but secondary damage from debris created by the reaction of ethanol with plastic and rubber components of the car, is most likely the culprit.

Automobile technology has had the advantage of decades of research to perfect the systems necessary for standard petrol / gasoline. Ethanol is relatively very new, as an automobile fuel.


2 posted on 08/01/2008 7:49:54 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: tobyhill

....WOW....thanks for the heads-up....I haven’t been paying attention to what kind of fuel I’m putting into my chain saws, trimmer ect...I’m starting today to make a change....hope I’n not too late.


3 posted on 08/01/2008 7:50:57 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: tobyhill
Much more than just ‘small engines’ - PWC’s, Motorcycles, Snow machines (soon), anything 2-stroke, Boat engines, Older cars... It's costing Americans 10’s of millions every day - and the bureaucrats just don't give a rats a$$.
4 posted on 08/01/2008 7:52:24 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: tobyhill

Most likely a defective unit. Take it back if it won’t run on currently available gasoline. Possibly he didn’t mix in enough oil with the gas.

“It can’t hurt just this once, can it?”


5 posted on 08/01/2008 7:53:07 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: CarrotAndStick

You’re wrong - Jimmuh Carter’s “Gasahol” wrecked tens of thousands of car engines. and the current 10% is doing the same thing all over again.


6 posted on 08/01/2008 7:54:07 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: STONEWALLS
I've bought a 3 lawnmowers in the past 3 years and now I know why.
7 posted on 08/01/2008 7:54:44 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill
The trick with small motors is to full them only with the fuel you intend to use, then run 'em dry.

More problematic to some of us is that, whatever the crap they pump in So Cal might be, it eats up carburetor bowls as well as gunking up the rest of the system. I have one friend who keeps a carb on one car at a time, if he isn't going to drive it today - it is either dry and on a shelf or on the car he will be using.

8 posted on 08/01/2008 7:58:09 AM PDT by norton
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To: xcamel

You’ll need to read what I wrote, again.

:)


9 posted on 08/01/2008 7:58:25 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: tobyhill
Most likely it is the solvent quality of the ethanol that causes damage. If the string trimmer is old and little used, the alcohol, oil and gasoline will separate and a straight dose of gasoline (without the oil's lube quality) will destroy the little engine.
I have used ethanol blended gas in my '95 Toro 4 stroke, both my two stroke chain saws and a two stroke trimmer without any problems.
10 posted on 08/01/2008 8:00:31 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: CarrotAndStick

I know methanol will eat/dissolve rubber, e.g. the tip of carb. needle, diaphragms, but not sure about ethanol.


11 posted on 08/01/2008 8:02:07 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: xcamel

I don’t know about ruining engines, but I do know that you couldn’t run gasohol in carburerated engine in the summer time. If you shut the engine off for 5-10 minutes on a hot day you couldn’t start the engine when you got back in the car. We used to put a cold drink cup over the throat of the carburetor to cool it down to get the car started.


12 posted on 08/01/2008 8:03:02 AM PDT by redangus
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To: tobyhill

It’s costing boaters thousands in damage to their tanks and filters and hoses.


13 posted on 08/01/2008 8:03:14 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: redangus

Vapor lock. I remember this in the ‘55 Chevy. Modern gasoline has a summer/winter change in RVP to prevent this and reduce emissions.


14 posted on 08/01/2008 8:05:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: CarrotAndStick

You’re dead on. Sorry.


15 posted on 08/01/2008 8:08:46 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: tobyhill
Rick Kitchings, the mechanic in Georgia, said consumers simply should insist on pure gasoline for their small utility engines.

So, how are we supposed to do that now?

Thank you Congress, thank you very much!

16 posted on 08/01/2008 8:09:14 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: tumblindice

I recently took apart an old Craftsman Chainsaw that had worked reliably for years. The plastic fuel line between the gas tank & carb just about disintegrated in my hands. Rather than just replace the fuel line I disassembled & cleaned the carb. There was a little screen inside the carb that was totally sludged up. This may have been residue from the plastic fuel line mixed with the fine grit that got past the fuel filter.

Works fine now, but I’ll be watching that fuel line.


17 posted on 08/01/2008 8:09:46 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: tobyhill

I have been using 10% alcohol with gas for years in my weed eater with no problems.


18 posted on 08/01/2008 8:11:20 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: norton

Don’t ever put ARCO gas in a car/engine that is carburater fed or you will be buying a new carburator.

That gas destroys carburators and makes them un repairable

Any gas in California will make an engine run bad if it is a few months old.


19 posted on 08/01/2008 8:11:39 AM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: Tallguy

If a fuel line is old enough it will deteriorate regardless of what you run through it. If the saw runs a little ragged while cutting you might want to open your screws a little/richen the mixture to account for the load. I forgot to do that a lot.
I sold Stihl but the Craftsman was a good saw. A Poulon?


20 posted on 08/01/2008 8:19:31 AM PDT by tumblindice
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