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1 posted on 08/01/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by tobyhill
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I’m not sure if ethanol (ethyl alcohol) does any damage to metal directly, but secondary damage from debris created by the reaction of ethanol with plastic and rubber components of the car, is most likely the culprit.

Automobile technology has had the advantage of decades of research to perfect the systems necessary for standard petrol / gasoline. Ethanol is relatively very new, as an automobile fuel.


2 posted on 08/01/2008 7:49:54 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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....WOW....thanks for the heads-up....I haven’t been paying attention to what kind of fuel I’m putting into my chain saws, trimmer ect...I’m starting today to make a change....hope I’n not too late.


3 posted on 08/01/2008 7:50:57 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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Much more than just ‘small engines’ - PWC’s, Motorcycles, Snow machines (soon), anything 2-stroke, Boat engines, Older cars... It's costing Americans 10’s of millions every day - and the bureaucrats just don't give a rats a$$.
4 posted on 08/01/2008 7:52:24 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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Most likely a defective unit. Take it back if it won’t run on currently available gasoline. Possibly he didn’t mix in enough oil with the gas.

“It can’t hurt just this once, can it?”


5 posted on 08/01/2008 7:53:07 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: tobyhill
The trick with small motors is to full them only with the fuel you intend to use, then run 'em dry.

More problematic to some of us is that, whatever the crap they pump in So Cal might be, it eats up carburetor bowls as well as gunking up the rest of the system. I have one friend who keeps a carb on one car at a time, if he isn't going to drive it today - it is either dry and on a shelf or on the car he will be using.

8 posted on 08/01/2008 7:58:09 AM PDT by norton
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It’s costing boaters thousands in damage to their tanks and filters and hoses.


13 posted on 08/01/2008 8:03:14 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: tobyhill
Rick Kitchings, the mechanic in Georgia, said consumers simply should insist on pure gasoline for their small utility engines.

So, how are we supposed to do that now?

Thank you Congress, thank you very much!

16 posted on 08/01/2008 8:09:14 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: tobyhill

I have been using 10% alcohol with gas for years in my weed eater with no problems.


18 posted on 08/01/2008 8:11:20 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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I’m so glad we don’t have ethanol blends in Alaska!


22 posted on 08/01/2008 8:31:44 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Started recently getting “up to 10%” ethanol here in Orlando. My 1998 Park Avenue went from 27hwy down to 24 on a 160 mile per day commute.


23 posted on 08/01/2008 8:34:22 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama=Jimmy Carter Part Douche)
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Ethanol Fraud BTTT


26 posted on 08/01/2008 8:50:19 AM PDT by Cold Heart (The end of the global warming hoax is in sight)
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To: tobyhill

non-oxygenated gas and a little Seafoam and your 2 stroke should run a lot better and longer.


29 posted on 08/01/2008 9:05:56 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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But hey, lets shovel more corn and plant waste into our tanks.
33 posted on 08/01/2008 9:10:55 AM PDT by DesScorp
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Ethanol is a solvent that absorbs water. It dissolved the carburetor on my ATV. It caused a fuel pump to fail in my truck. It causes horrible gas mileage. A guy on talk radio said he put 2 gallons of e85 with 18 gallons of non alcohol gas and said he got less mileage than he would have gotten on 18 gallons of gas with his 20 gallons of mix.
34 posted on 08/01/2008 9:12:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: tobyhill
I restore antique outboard motors as a hobby. I have a made a point of keeping a can of ethanol-free gasoline on hand for the vintage motors.

On the other hand, I routinely run gas with 10% ethanol in my modern outboards, lawn mowers and chain saws without a problem.

I'll also add that I have seen many old outboard that have been unused for 20 to 30 years with rotten gas lines and rubber gaskets. Because they had been unused for so long they had never seen ethanol. The rotten rubber was from old age.

44 posted on 08/01/2008 9:45:16 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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I work on a lot of these engines. Two stroke engines have a problem depending on the oil you use. Your probably better off just to use regular motor oil as a lubricant or avoid ethanol. Also, never let the gas sit in the unit as other’s have said. Myself, I avoid ethanol for 2 strokes...

And never, never put it in your ultralight aircraft.


48 posted on 08/01/2008 10:02:19 AM PDT by babygene (This Government no longer works to secure our freedoms and provide for our common defense.)
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Our little town is swamped with yard equipment all of a sudden just not working. All the repair shops are packed and the waiting period is up to a month to get fixed.

Our riding mower starting limping quite a bit. Had a mechanic friend fix it. Bottom line is ethanol gas ate at some parts.

We're going to REAL gas now instead of that ethanol crap.

60 posted on 08/01/2008 1:23:17 PM PDT by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: tobyhill
Most modern engines should be ok with ethanol. Manufacturers have made parts resistant for quite a few years now.

It does clean the gunk off things, a dirty fuel system could have ethanol clean all the gunk off the inside and plug things up.

68 posted on 08/01/2008 3:23:34 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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BTTT


77 posted on 08/01/2008 6:19:46 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: tobyhill

“Ethanol FUD”!


83 posted on 08/02/2008 8:13:24 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 101 Weeks. Waiting...)
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