Posted on 07/28/2008 5:49:39 PM PDT by Terriergal
No, I’m a member of a solidly Bible-believing, Scripture-teaching church.
I don’t like Warren’s teaching, for what it’s worth.
Global strategist?
Philanthropist?
No kidding?
Really?
Really, Resty?
I have interacted on many of those threads and have never seen RA cited.
From my experience, what you label "bash the LDS" usually does not consist of anything but citations from Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, LDS prophets and LDS Scripture. With these sources, nobody ever needs RA.
Sorry don’t care what you think!:)
Oh...I know. You have made that quite clear before. That doesn't bother me...
...but not caring what the Bible says about the LDS prophets and their false prophecies...THAT BOTHERS ME!
Trust me, resty...
You won't find many friends, if any, among this thread's crowd. Most of them don't put up with deception...what ever the source.
It was a direct quote from one of your LDS false prophets, not a RA citation, on one of those "LDS bash" threads, that prompted SENTINEL to denounce the LDS organization and to proclaim Jesus Christ as Saviour!
What a great testimony to the Truth! (Thank you for sharing it SENTINEL.)
Joe Smith:
... thou seest the foundation of a great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. Wherefore, thou seeth that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. ... because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceeding great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them (Book of Mormon, I Nephi 13:26-29).”
Jesus Christ:
“Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”
One of these two is a liar, and false prophet........
“President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene.” (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.
Deuteronomy 18:22 (King James Version) 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and Jesus Christ have said all that needs to be said on this matter.
Amen to that.
I’m glad.
You gotta admit, however, that Ken SIlva seems to have way too much free time on his hands.
You mean the current "prophets" have nothing more to say?
And...I believe that SENTINEL's quote is specific to the cited LDS quotes that contradict what Jesus Christ said (see SENTINEL's above posts on the matter).
And even if the current LDS "prophets" have something more to say...
It ain't going to fix the contradiction between what Jesus said and what the former LDS false prophets falsely prophesied. The only thing that fixes the contradiction is to state that Smith's first vision was inaccurate, which makes the LDS organization unnecessary (and they won't do that).
They would also have to say that Smith wasn't a prophet...do you think they are going to do that?
All humans have their short comings....even the Apostle Paul admitted that about himself!
I agree. But the Apostle Paul didn’t include his shortcomings in his theology, since he was an inspired author of Scripture. Lewis had inclusivist leanings, which I reject. BUT he has some excellent thought provoking writing as well. I don’t know that he considered his opinion to be the be all and end all — he seemed to be revising as he learned more of Scripture. For example he also had no idea why the theory of evolution was causing such a problem. He only started to see it toward the end of his life.
it’s his job.
btw have you seen how prolific Abanes is? Why doesn’t he have the same accusation leveled at him?
I’ve read most of his works and he does so state that his opinion wasn’t the “be all and end all”. Now I’m not sure what you mean by inclusivist, unless you are talking about the view that at some point in eternity, even the lost in hell might yet be saved and come to repentance. I think he parts company from George MacDonald’s views in that sense though he admits to getting started on his way to Christendom thru the readings and influence of the same man.
CS Lewis wrote for folks that as one reviewer put it..”might be interested in Christianity but who find their intellect getting in the way!”. Let’s just say he deals with the modern “Mars Hill Athenians” of this era.
Now as for the Paul not including his short comings in his theology...where do we start...”I asked the Lord 3 times to remove this thorn, he said “My grace is sufficient for thee.” “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” “To live is Christ and to die is gain.” Paul refers to himself as the “chiefest of sinners” before his conversion. Paul in many of his writings starts from the premise of his own imperfections but thru the work of Christ, these same imperfections being made perfect.
I’ve read that Lewis starts off as an atheist but thru the weight of the evidence and thru several “numinous” experiences becomes convinced of first the possibility of the devine and later on thru study and hesitant forays into prayer and re-examination of the faith becomes a Christian...(”convinced” by the weight of the evidence). Of that conversion, Lewis quotes an old English Bobbie...”You might as well come along quiet...”.
Lewis’s life reads like a classic wooing of the Holy Spirit, a cold God shaped vaccuum warmed and given just enough knowledge and light to empower that soul to make choices and to be directed to a place and time where that soul becomes fully energized and cleansed by Jesus Christ. Of course Lewis would never consider himself an apostle of old and neither would I consider him such. I have subjected his broad works to scriptural scrutiny, especially his later works and can’t find a thing wrong with them that would jive with orthodox Christianity.
He believed in a literal heaven and hell. In his book the 4 LOVES, he describes the 4 general types of love that men experience or have “inflicted” upon them leading up to the highest love...the love God has for all men and his creation. In one book He describes the justice of God mixed with His love in describing “Hell as a kind of tourniquet for the soul that will not allow God to do anything else for it”
His Screw-Tape Letters were spot on in describing the literal processes of temptation and the processes that Satan may use to keep a person from knowing God, to destroy a Christian’s testimony, and to wear down his faith over the long ‘plateau’ period of a maturing Christian’s life and to introduce points of error that can trip one up.
Lewis’ denomenation was Anglican and that’s where he hung his spiritual hat so I think some of the points that you and I might disagree with him about are more of denominational style. I never got a read on his views concerning the rapture for example though he knew that a general change in state of the church was coming. He wrote..”The world is a sculpture shop and all the people in it our statues...but there is a rumor going about that some of the statues are going to come to life someday”
He also knew that a final judgment was coming with a separation for those who did not know Jesus.
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