Posted on 07/27/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
onatan Stern, the "Sgan Mefaked Hakita" (deputy squad commander) of Kitat Konenut New York, insists his "paramilitary emergency armed response team" is no "group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League]." Members of Kitat Konenut New...
Members of Kitat Konenut New York pose in a photo posted on the group's Facebook page. Photo: Courtesy Slideshow: Pictures of the week
"The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment's notice in any area where Jews reside," explains the Israeli combat veteran.
"We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed."
On Friday, the third session of the group's training camp will begin in the Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since the group began three years ago.
Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but nonpolitical.
American Jews have "felt a false sense of security in the United States," Stern believes, "because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant."
"The threat is not from the American people or government," he adds, but from "terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often," he said, citing the FBI's warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out terror attacks on Jewish communities.
"The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those individuals on the periphery of society," Stern says.
The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.
"We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to this," Stern says.
The group's MySpace page details the camp's regimen, which includes training in the IDF's Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of weapons with which participants can expect to train.
"We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained," Stern says, "and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip Jewish American youth."
The group's literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training "are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws."
"We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express this right to its fullest," it adds.
The group claims to be "well-connected with the New York police and fire departments" and it invites "all members of the law enforcement community to join in our life-saving activities."
Stern says, "We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones" during all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, "as we need to be constantly ready to respond to any incident."
The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha, understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to "know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and how to express the Second Amendment" - the right to bear arms.
Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing non-kosher food.
"We wouldn't have a problem with non-Jews coming either," says Stern, "but no non-Jew has applied thus far."
“How are they IDF anything?”
Read the article - they are “retired” IDF officers running these groups in MY COUNTRY.
And “retired” IDF are on active reserves into their 50’s and they dont look over 50.
Let the IDF set up paramilitary units in Iran before they come to my country.
Simply means that you don't ever want to let a predator catch you in a weakened state.
This is a bargain.
$400 is cheap for 10 days of training.
“I’d be glad to discuss the operating system differences between the M14 and M16”
Whats the matter? I thought you were retired US military and a smithy?
Why wont you answer a simple question - which M14 did you prefer - peep or open sight....
Maybe because it is because you are not what you claim to be as any US military man who was a smithy would know the M14 ONLY CAME WITH PEEP SIGHTS!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA - gets the phoney “vets” all the time.
Go to whoever signs your checks and tell him you dont deserve it.
Uh - I hate to break this to you but Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin were all of at least partial Jewish descent and proud of the culture - most marrying Jewish women.
So start a Christians-only protection group.
Or a trolls-only protection group, which is certainly what you’re making yourself out to be on this thread.
No they aren't. Anyone can join. Your very big problem is that armed Jews are a threat to you because you see Jews as your enemy.
why were half a dozen Israeli operatives high fiving when the WTC went down?
Hahahahaha so this is where you're going to take this. It's because the Jews are evil & they did 9/11, didn't you know?
“Since when was the Liberty part of the discussion? “
The IDF has lots of explaining to do to the families of the defenseless US sailors they killed - let them do that before they come here to train paramilitary troops. I want to make sure the next Americans they kill are not innocent.
By actually looking at the picture in the original article, I count 1 AR variant, 1 M1 Carbine/variant, 1 scoped indeterminate make, probably bolt action. And 1 AK variant.
What's your problem with the AK - it's cheap to build, maneuverable, easy to operate, a he!! of a lot more reliable than the AR, fires a round with decent accuracy and sufficient knockdown (unlike the 5.56) at typical urban engagement ranges.
BTW, WTF do you think the f'in raghead terrorists are going to use? Finely crafted $10K English double rifles?
I have (and can shoot well) 3 of the 4 shown. What about you?
1. As I pointed out, the USS liberty Is gratuitous Israel/Jew Bashing in this string inh which it had no place.
Always indicative WHO brings this old dead horse in.
2. The Crew website is completely IRRELEVANT as evidence in a Friendly Fire incident, since the victims know NOT the intent of the attacker, and in the great majority of cases feel it was intentional. Incluing British Ground Forces/Tanks Hit by Low-Flying A-10’s.. and then Hit again when they turned.. despite flying a Large Union Jack.
3. Israel was Fighting a 3 Front War and the Day before the Liberty incident had bombed one of thier OWN tank Columns near Jenin.
4. The incident was investigated officially more than 10 times by USA Congress, Military, or Intelligence... and all said ‘accident’.
5. Two years ago the NSA released the tapes of Israeli pilots showing it was indeed an accident/Mistakenj Identity.
The Final Nail in the Coffin for MOST Jew-Baiters
6. http://www.libertyincident.com/
7. You’re an amateur anti-semite and I’m an expert on the I/P conflict and other recent Israeli History (last 150 years or so)
you forgot the tinfoil.
Like I said, this smells fishy and my bet is that it has more to do with Russian thugs that miss the old country and want paramilitary body guards like they enjoyed in Moscow.
I dont see them posting outside of Hebrew school in Williamsburgh on a saturday.
Good try weasel. Answer my many questions pertaining to the posted article and then we can talk guns.
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“As I pointed out, the USS liberty Is gratuitous Israel/Jew Bashing “
Hah - the ulitmate in Chutzpah!
BWAHAHAHAHA
I suppose these men were killed because they were unarmed but antisemitic!!!
That one I can understand.
You could really contribute so much more to the discussion if you would just stay on the topic at hand...Which would be "Americans developing skills in the exercise of their right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and their obligations as a Citizen".
You Almost answered ½ of one of my 7 points.
YOU LOSE!
P.S. Stop by the shop and I’ll let you rub my Navy Marksman Ribbon. Which, by the way, I qualified for using the M14. If you are real nice I’ll let you verify the ribbon on my DD214.
Anything else? Such as your name, service, experience, etc.
Didn’t think so.
Dang crickets are loud?!??!?!? Hello, anyone in there?
1. Any politically motivated murder of an leader is an assassination. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assassination
2. Rabi Kahane was many things, leftist was not one of them. He was an anti-democratic religious nationalist and ardent anti-communist who was implicated in attacks against Soviet interests in the US and around the world. He and his acolytes also fought the New Left and there are allegations that they informed for the FBI.
So please explain how he was a leftist. Because it seems to be that all you can do is yell leftist.
And you use this to justify Israeli run paramilitary in this country?
Please cite evidence that it is anything more than trained by former Israeli soldiers.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You want KibutzKommie.com and not Free Republic.
Umm, no. I have relatives in Kibbutzim and hate their politics. If you want to know where I stand look me up. My real name is Ron Lewenberg.
Is there some reason that you contacted Jim Robinson? Is it that you can't bear dissent?
I have been very worried about this for quite some time now. I have asked my mother, who works part time in the office at a Reformed Congregation, to immediately leave work and spend a few days with us if and when she hears of Israel attacking Iran.
It would be nice to not be the only armed individual trying to evacuate the Temple if it came under attack during business hours.
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