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To: Zhang Fei
There are significant differences between the Japanese and the Chinese. The Chinese have not given up military pursuits.

No country, including post war Japan is completely unarmed. Japan gave up it's overriding military ambition, but still had (has) one of the world's largest military budget merely by the nature of it' economic size.

They have significant espionage efforts in America - with a couple of dozen ethnic Chinese, or Chinese nationals charged annually.

I have read some of the cases. There was one case where an accused who thought a particular item that was made public was okay to bring to China. It cost him 30+ years. Some of them appear to have been poor judgement that resulted in extremely long prison sentences. I believe, when it comes to China, we are back in the McCarthy era.

The Chinese sell ballistic missiles to America's enemies. Chinese nuclear bomb plans showed up in Pakistani hands..

How long ago was that? BTW, the US appear to be more involved with Pakistan than China.

China props up North Korea's Kim Jong Il with economic aid.

And has also worked with the US on the six-party talks and have been praised by the Bush Administration (your own government).

It props up Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe with economic aid.

The US has done her share of proping of dictators. Don't forget, Russia also vetoed sanctions against Mugabe as well. And Russia has more nuclear missles (by far) than China. Russia also has openly and publicly stated that they will build a dozen or so SSBN's by the end of the next decade. Yet, China gets attention for having just one.

It supplied the Taliban with weapons after September 11.

How much? And are they still doing it? Is it a concerted government effort? There are people in the US that has done shady deals outside the juridiction of the government. I'm sure it has occured in China as well. But China has no incentive to aid the Taliban.

The Chinese Propaganda Ministry came up with a video - right after 9/11 - celebrating that event as a well-deserved blow against America. Heck - some Chinese journalists were booted out after being seen applauding at live coverage of the collapse of the Twin Towers, as they were being escorted around the city on a PR junket conducted by State Department staffers.

Are they doing that now? And do a few people define China? Do the NAZI party inside the US define who and what America is?

Another difference, Japan invaded all the surrounding countries throughout the pacific. Prior to, it went on a massive military build up that consumed it's entire industrial capacity. And China, like Japan today, use it's current industrial capcity for civilian pursuits..

I still stand by my conclusion. China is folding herself into the global economy. The development of a system that had a significant about of US influence. And now that they are practicing capitalism and free market, effectively joining the economic system of the free world, it isn't appreciated. I'm convinced some Americans would just prefer they return to communism where they could be kept in a bottle.

Observing the political spectrum for the last three decades, I can only conclude, that many American are simply uncomfortable with an industrialized non-Western country. If China had gone down the road and devoted her energies into other types of economic pursuits, like what Mexico did in building up Cancun or even what the Emirates did with Dubai, I'm sure China would not get as much flak as it does now. But because it chooses to build autos, airplanes, and launch satellites, it begins to tread on sacrid ground. Much like the Japanese did decades ago.

120 posted on 07/26/2008 1:07:55 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
Are they doing that now? And do a few people define China? Do the NAZI party inside the US define who and what America is?

To my knowledge, the Nazi Party has never been part of the US government. The Chinese propaganda ministry and Xinhua journalists are part of the Chinese government.

130 posted on 07/26/2008 6:18:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: ponder life
No country, including post war Japan is completely unarmed. Japan gave up it's overriding military ambition, but still had (has) one of the world's largest military budget merely by the nature of it' economic size.

Japan hasn't fought half a dozen serious border wars resulting in thousands of dead troops. China has. Japan doesn't routinely engage in minor, but armed border clashes with its neighbors. China does.

I have read some of the cases. There was one case where an accused who thought a particular item that was made public was okay to bring to China. It cost him 30+ years. Some of them appear to have been poor judgement that resulted in extremely long prison sentences. I believe, when it comes to China, we are back in the McCarthy era.

What does made public mean - it was shown at an airshow? Spare me the Chinese lies.

How long ago was that? BTW, the US appear to be more involved with Pakistan than China.

Actually, this was in the past several years. The US has paid Pakistan a few billion dollars, and released some old technology in order to get transit rights to Afghanistan without fighting a full-scale war with Pakistan. We have not, however, given Pakistan nuclear weapons plans.

And has also worked with the US on the six-party talks and have been praised by the Bush Administration (your own government).

Wait - isn't that *our* own government? I forget - you're a US citizen who considers himself first and foremost a Chinese national.

The US has done her share of proping of dictators. Don't forget, Russia also vetoed sanctions against Mugabe as well. And Russia has more nuclear missles (by far) than China. Russia also has openly and publicly stated that they will build a dozen or so SSBN's by the end of the next decade. Yet, China gets attention for having just one.

China has three, and is in the process of building more. But the point is that the Cold War is over. Neither side ought to be propping up dictators. China is propping up dictators in North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe. (Note that during the 70's, Chinese Red Guards were on hand to help Cambodia's Khmer Rouge carry out its Year Zero purge that killed just under 2 million Cambodians (including large numbers of ethnic Chinese).

How much? And are they still doing it? Is it a concerted government effort? There are people in the US that has done shady deals outside the juridiction of the government. I'm sure it has occured in China as well. But China has no incentive to aid the Taliban.

Rumsfeld was unwrapping freshly made Chinese weaponry captured from the Taliban, over six months after 9/11. The Chinese incentive is secondarily to profit from arms sales, but primarily to weaken what China sees as its main enemy.

Another difference, Japan invaded all the surrounding countries throughout the pacific. Prior to, it went on a massive military build up that consumed it's entire industrial capacity. And China, like Japan today, use it's current industrial capcity for civilian pursuits..

China has spent most of its two thousand years of existence conquering and slaughtering its way across Northeast Asia. China is what Japan failed to become - an continental-sized empire built at the point of a sword. Japan is now quiescent. China isn't.

I still stand by my conclusion. China is folding herself into the global economy. The development of a system that had a significant about of US influence. And now that they are practicing capitalism and free market, effectively joining the economic system of the free world, it isn't appreciated. I'm convinced some Americans would just prefer they return to communism where they could be kept in a bottle.

I've never felt Chinese communism to be the problem for either us or China's neighbors. The problem has always been a Chinese will to universal empire, whether under communists or non-communists.

Observing the political spectrum for the last three decades, I can only conclude, that many American are simply uncomfortable with an industrialized non-Western country. If China had gone down the road and devoted her energies into other types of economic pursuits, like what Mexico did in building up Cancun or even what the Emirates did with Dubai, I'm sure China would not get as much flak as it does now. But because it chooses to build autos, airplanes, and launch satellites, it begins to tread on sacrid ground. Much like the Japanese did decades ago.

That's ridiculous. We're not uncomfortable with Japan. The main problem with Japan was its protectionism. They exported to us and slapped all kinds of restrictions on our exports to them. The problem with China is the same. They export to us, but we can't export to them without having to pay high tariffs. I think the main problem with the Chinese is that they see themselves as racially superior and not subject to rules like other inferior peoples.

134 posted on 07/26/2008 8:02:05 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: ponder life
Observing the political spectrum for the last three decades, I can only conclude, that many American are simply uncomfortable with an industrialized non-Western country.

Not true; look at Japan. Or do they not count?

Americans are uncomfortable with an amoral, growing potential military enemy that has zero respect for human rights.

165 posted on 07/28/2008 6:15:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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