[robertvance]

The media still refers to the PRC as communist China but really, it is hard to find much evidence of communism at work in China these days.

[jmc813]

The mere mention of the Communist Party and all the great deeds it has done for China

What kind of ChiCom propaganda crap is this? Give me a break.

[Fishrrman]

From the article:
“where is communism still manifested in China today? Where are the basic Communist values of sharing and equality evident in Chinese society now? They cannot be found. Quite simply, China is no longer a communist country.
If we are looking for evidence of communism in China, the first and most important place to look is at the economy. The economy in China is now decidedly capitalistic in nature. Average Chinese citizens can start their own businesses and put their income into private bank accounts. Chinese citizens can buy stocks in companies and enjoy the revenues or suffer the losses. As of just a few years ago, private property rights have been greatly enhanced in China, and Chinese people can now be more secure that their land will not be taken away from them.”

Several years ago, there was a discussion thread here on FR along the subject of “would the United States go to war with China over Taiwan?”

I replied that, no, we would not, for a very good reason: it would not be worth it because the “two Chinas” were becoming more alike, and that re-unification would be a natural outcome of this progress. Even reunification “under duress”.

The conventional rationale throughout the Cold War was that Taiwan represented freedom (and capitalism), whereas “Red” China represented Communism and slavery.

Once that may have been true, but no longer. Communist countries simply do not operate as China operates today. Granted, the political system has yet to be “opened up” as has the ecomonic system, but in time that must happen, too. I have read about an increasing number of “Christian converts” among the Chinese. If Christianity ever begins to gain a significant foothold in China, watch out, for it is the combination of Christianity and a hunger for freedom (along with knowledge for knowledge’s sake) that created “the West”.

Aside from the fading one-party system in mainland China, there is less and less from which to distinguish it from Taiwan. There is less and less “to go to war for”. Contrast this with Israel, a beacon of freedom surrounded by the darkness of Islam. Even the leaders of China understand Islam, and - amazingly - seem to confront its domestic threat with more fortitude than we do here.

There will never be war between the United States and China over Taiwan. It’s no longer worth American blood and treasure to go to war over two “like nations” that really should re-unite into one. Even the Soviets, at the end of their days, understood this about Germany.

- John

[Law is not justice but process]

Of course it is not communist. Everyone except Kim Il Jong, Fidel Castro, Evo Morales, and Hugo Chavez has figured out communism is dead.

China’s government is still brutally totalitarian. Is that any better? Were Mussolini and Hitler better than Stalin and Mao (omitting, of course, of total body count - Mao is still king there)?

Economic self-determination was but one of many rights trampled upon by communist governments. Is it any tribute to them that they have found it to their advantage to loosen up the economic repression in order to maintain its stranglehold on all other rights?

[TigersEye]

Look in Tibet. Oh, right, they won't let you.

Chinese Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Lhasa—UPDATED

Agents Provocateur? ["Tibetan supporter" who attacked torch bearer may be Chinese agent]

China salaries overseas Chinese for anti-Tibetan protests (rent-a-mob: $350 per head)

‘Beijing orchestrating Tibet riots’

Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan
"The cab driver was shouting at him to get out. Then they started hitting the car.
The crowd was shouting "kill him! kill the Frenchman."" (he was actually an American but small difference to a government hired mob)

[swarthyguy]

China is now Prime SuperFascist State.

All the hallmarks. One political entity, limited individual rights, free speech only when permitted, and a overriding corporate structure with private ownership, along with the military controlling key parts and some not so key, but very, very profitable parts of the economy, an effective domestic police spying apparatus.

[dragnet2]

BS

[RightWhale]

This is actually not news. The Chinese are still very anxious to not stand out except in prescribed ways and they still rely on the top Gov’t as the ultimate authority. This might not be Communism and maybe it never was.

[Wuli]

China is still a dictatorship run by the Communist Party of China, no matter what is happening in it's domestic economic marketplace.

And, as far as what is happening in its domestic economic marketplace, everything that is allowed are privileges granted by the dictators not rights that the dictators cannot, and do no revoke at will when it suits the Chinese Communist Party's interest.

Politically it has morphed into a form of state-capitalism that most closely resembles communism's close cousin - Fascism.

The west's current relationship with China has the west's head in the sand, believing the west's own wishful-thinking myths about China with a heavy dose of U.S. crony capitalists helping to sell those myths (dictatorships are always easier for "global corporations to deal with - more predictable).

[LowOiL]

it is hard to find much evidence of communism at work in China these days.

ROFLMBO...

[Zionist Conspirator]

Whatever Mainland China is today, it has retained two things from Communism: 1)a hatred of religion, and 2)a complete lack of the guilt and self-hatred that drives the “western” Left.

[mad_as_he$$]

Yea I guess when they did away with the political prisons the last vestiges of communism went with them - NOT!

[editor-surveyor]

"but really, it is hard to find much evidence of communism at work in China these days."

Yea, you actually have to open your eyes and look at the machine guns that the police standing next to their overturned armored vehicles are pointing at the kids...

Tyranny is still tyranny. People in prison for attending a house church service, forced to make junk t-shirts for ignorant Americans has nothing whatsoever to do with communism.

[Centurion2000]

All this is happening as Chairman Mao sleeps peacefully at Tiananmen Square. If only he knew.

All this is happening as Chairman Mao sleeps peacefully at Tiananmen Square burns in hell alongside Hitler, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane and Stalin. If only he knew.

There, fixed that.

[EternalVigilance]

I've been telling people for a number of years that China is no longer a communist country.

It has changed into a fascist super-state.

Communists lay claim for the state to all the means of production.

Fascism maintains a facade of private ownership, while retaining complete and utter control over it all anyway.

Both are Godless socialist tyrannies, just put together a bit differently.

Scanning this thread it is apparent that more and more people are figuring out that the above is true.

Is this 1936 all over again?

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

[Hat-Trick]

Any idea if I can get a webcast or copy of the Senior Pastor’s sermon from last Sunday at 1st Baptist Church of Bejing?