"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Internet content is censored. Criticize the government behind closed doors? Is that a joke? When they can assemble publicly and criticize openly without the threat of another Tiannanmen Square incident, I'll believe communism is dead there.
Yes now they are National Socialist, Nazis.
Socially - Completely Communist
Externally - Economically Capitalist
Internally - Economically Communist
2 out of 3...
I’ve been in China since mid-June. Even party members tell me that “Communist” is now just a brand name. China is more capitalistic than Britain, Canada, or just about any other major democracy.
I read with amazement the other day the main op-ed piece in one of China’s government newspapers. The writer stated that the people of China must have the right to engage in civil disobedience as long as they don’t try to overthrow the government.
This is not the China of 20 years ago. Satellite dishes are everywhere and they’re pulling in uncensored TV from Taiwan and other democracies. One party member told me, “Thank God for America bringing capitalism to China.”
Clearly the government still holds great authoritarian control, but the point has come where so many freedom “genies” can’t be put back in the lamp.
> Why China is No Longer a Communist Country
I agree China is not a Communist country; it’s just a corrupt authoritarian one.
I made the same point a few months ago on a thread on the subject of unsafe Chinese imports. Since you are already being called a fool or a fellow traveler, you can imagine the reception. All the same, China isn’t Communist. It has developed into a Robber Baron Capitalist state.
In the LONG run this is good news. This seems to be a necessary transitory stage in the development of a major state into a mature power. Dickens wrote of England’s industrial growing pains, and Sinclair Lewis wrote of the US in the same stage.
The thing is in an increasingly wealthy state, the Robber Baron exploitation and disregard for the welfare and growing power of a growing labor class eventually leads to pushback. Labor unions, consumer safety regulations, and mainly an offset to centralized power.
We already see the first glimmerings of this in China but it’s very early in the process. There are decades yet and many setbacks to go.
There's getting to be a cottage industry in preserving the mummies of tinhorn communists. First Lenin, then Stalin, now Mao.
Who cares? They are still murderous scumbags that intend to go to war with us at their earliest possibility. And all the while we are emasculating our military by eliminating capabilities right and left, practically shuttering our Navy, not building new air forces and weapons, etc.
China is filled with murderers and they are our enemy.
So, who cares if they are still commie murderers?
“Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved”
- - - and he is in Hell.
I prefer the term Chicap to the term Chicom to describe a large slice of the Chinese population.
The truth is of course neither. The current status is transitional but it seems the old ways are fading in the face of new opportuity.
The transition will take time, something many are not willing to admit, but the process is clearly underway. To rid the last vestiges, men must grow old and die.
1. Very major companies (Haier, Lenovo) are OWNED by the Communist Red Chinese government.
2. The government presumes to tell people how many children they can have. If you try to get around it, reactions vary from being physically forced for an abortion and sterilization, to having your family or whole community fined a massive (for them) amount.
3. Catholics and other Christians have to meet state approval, the real Roman Catholic Church does not meet Red Communist Chinese tests because the Pope cannot cede spiritual authority to the Communist Party.
Whatever you want to classify the Red Chinese, they are just as bad as ever. Perhaps worse as they now have economic leverage over the entire world.
The Chinese have found a third way between Capitalism and Communism. With the fall of the Soviet Union they realized that Communism as an economic system is not viable. They formed a hybrid system where the totalitarian state is funded by limited capitalism and by using their vast work force to provide cheap goods to the West. The question remains whether they can keep it under control or if they have a tiger by the tail.
The ruling oligarchy will live in luxury, of course. They deserve it for, among other things, their good intentions, their benevolent rule, taking care of the peasants, etc.
There's nothing new about this. It's as old as history itself.
That's how Julius Caesar came to power--promising everything to the masses. His heirs, the Julian family, and their heirs, the Roman emperors who followed them, stayed in power by providing the masses with bread, circuses, etc. They themselves lived in opulent luxury, of course, as, in their opinions, they deserved to do.
The medieval nobility consisted of warriors, who "protected" everyone else. In return, they extracted anything they wanted--i.e. enslavement of everyone else, viz. the peasantry, including right to have sex with them, to kill them, to exploit them in any way they chose.
Contemporary Leftists have made themselves from the same mold. They promise protection, bread and circuses, welfare, and end to poverty, the establishment of a Marxist state. They also reserve the rights to liberty, the persuit of happiness, and lives of opulence and luxury for themselver--certainly not for the peasantry (that's you and I).
Take Obama, for instance. He makes over $500,000 a year, is a multimillionaire, lives in a multimillion-dollar house. You think he's got that in mind for you and me?????
China may have relaxed it's muscle against the average citizen. In truth, they learned the "carrot and stick" method of governing.
Let them chase the carrot and if they won't perform, then give them the stick.
China's financial foundation may have shifted to a more socialist ideal, but the fact is the state still owns everything, thus they are communist.
Nevermind the human rights abuses, the inability to speak against the political system, openly, etc, etc.
China is communist and you're a frigging moron for not recognizing it, and our government is frigging greedy for not bringing american business back to this country.
It’s still a strongly socialist country, but more of the nationalist type. Anything you own or do is still subject to state control at the whim of the rulers, which is pretty much the definition of fascism.
What we are seeing is a variation of Lenin's New Economic Policy. The Party is allowing free enterprise in order to create wealth. When there is enough wealth to harvest, the Party will take it and shoot anybody who says anything about it