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Why China is No Longer a Communist Country
The China Teaching Web ^ | 7/24/2008 | Robert Vance

Posted on 07/25/2008 2:46:56 AM PDT by robertvance

While Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved since his death in 1976, it seems that his spirit has not survived the test of time. He may lie in eternal peace inside his Mausoleum but the world around him has changed considerably; China is no longer the gray and drab country that it was during Mao’s time. It is now a place where people can dream and then go out and make that dream come true. It is not like the old days. People other than just high government officials can drive cars. Chinese people can do business and store up wealth for themselves. Peasants can go to the university now; finding food to eat is no longer such a grave concern. Just around the corner from where Chairman Mao lies in State, the American restaurant chain McDonald’s is full of Chinese people enjoying greasy food and a cool environment. Inside homes, people can watch Western movies on DVD and even occasionally on state owned television. The world is just a mouse click away for the millions of Chinese people who have access to the Internet. Friends and family are no longer afraid of discussing politics with each other. It is even acceptable to criticize the government behind closed doors. All this is happening as Chairman Mao sleeps peacefully at Tiananmen Square. If only he knew.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; boycottchina; boycottolympics; ccp; china; communism; fascism; mao; olympics; redchina
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The media still refers to the PRC as communist China but really, it is hard to find much evidence of communism at work in China these days.
1 posted on 07/25/2008 2:46:56 AM PDT by robertvance
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If you look up official Chinese portals to read a sampling of commentary, there's more diversity of views than in our entire MSM. Chinese are engaged in robust debate.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 07/25/2008 2:50:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: robertvance
The world is just a mouse click away for the millions of Chinese people who have access to the Internet. Friends and family are no longer afraid of discussing politics with each other. It is even acceptable to criticize the government behind closed doors.

Internet content is censored. Criticize the government behind closed doors? Is that a joke? When they can assemble publicly and criticize openly without the threat of another Tiannanmen Square incident, I'll believe communism is dead there.

3 posted on 07/25/2008 3:05:37 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: robertvance
There is a reason Communist China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, you don't suppose it might be because they're still a bunch of f'in Commies do you?

No ethics, no morals, the State remains supreme over the individual?

Yeah, that's Communism.

And only a fool or a fellow traveler suggests otherwise.
4 posted on 07/25/2008 3:11:06 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: edpc
To the extent communism is a system of economic production it is moribund in China. Politically China remains a totalitarian regime.
5 posted on 07/25/2008 3:11:18 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: goldstategop
Chinese are engaged in robust debate.

Yeah, debating the best ways to export their poisonous products and other crap to the West.
6 posted on 07/25/2008 3:13:38 AM PDT by mkjessup (This message brought to you by the Happy Toothpaste & Antifreeze Plant #9, Szechuan Communist China)
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To: robertvance

Yes now they are National Socialist, Nazis.


7 posted on 07/25/2008 3:16:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: bmwcyle

You apologize to all those other Nazis, right now! LOL


8 posted on 07/25/2008 3:17:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (This message brought to you by the Happy Toothpaste & Antifreeze Plant #9, Szechuan Communist China)
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9 posted on 07/25/2008 3:19:55 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: mkjessup

Yea right.


10 posted on 07/25/2008 3:28:20 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: robertvance

Socially - Completely Communist
Externally - Economically Capitalist
Internally - Economically Communist
2 out of 3...


11 posted on 07/25/2008 3:50:38 AM PDT by milky
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To: mkjessup
They at least have a debate! What is it our MSM is doing? Mao would have liked to receive that kind of coverage! I really can't tell a Chinese we allow a variety of different views in our own press.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 07/25/2008 3:50:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: robertvance

I’ve been in China since mid-June. Even party members tell me that “Communist” is now just a brand name. China is more capitalistic than Britain, Canada, or just about any other major democracy.

I read with amazement the other day the main op-ed piece in one of China’s government newspapers. The writer stated that the people of China must have the right to engage in civil disobedience as long as they don’t try to overthrow the government.

This is not the China of 20 years ago. Satellite dishes are everywhere and they’re pulling in uncensored TV from Taiwan and other democracies. One party member told me, “Thank God for America bringing capitalism to China.”

Clearly the government still holds great authoritarian control, but the point has come where so many freedom “genies” can’t be put back in the lamp.


13 posted on 07/25/2008 3:58:11 AM PDT by compound w
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“And only a fool or a fellow traveler suggests otherwise. “

This kind of argument just stinks.


14 posted on 07/25/2008 3:59:14 AM PDT by compound w
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> Why China is No Longer a Communist Country

I agree China is not a Communist country; it’s just a corrupt authoritarian one.


15 posted on 07/25/2008 3:59:36 AM PDT by bluejay
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To: goldstategop

There is much more balance on the average China news channel than on MSNBC, without doubt. And now more and more Chinese are able to pull in news channels from Taiwan and the US.

The people who deny this without having looked into the matter are simply living in the past.


16 posted on 07/25/2008 4:01:25 AM PDT by compound w
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To: robertvance

I made the same point a few months ago on a thread on the subject of unsafe Chinese imports. Since you are already being called a fool or a fellow traveler, you can imagine the reception. All the same, China isn’t Communist. It has developed into a Robber Baron Capitalist state.

In the LONG run this is good news. This seems to be a necessary transitory stage in the development of a major state into a mature power. Dickens wrote of England’s industrial growing pains, and Sinclair Lewis wrote of the US in the same stage.

The thing is in an increasingly wealthy state, the Robber Baron exploitation and disregard for the welfare and growing power of a growing labor class eventually leads to pushback. Labor unions, consumer safety regulations, and mainly an offset to centralized power.

We already see the first glimmerings of this in China but it’s very early in the process. There are decades yet and many setbacks to go.


17 posted on 07/25/2008 4:01:59 AM PDT by tlb
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To: mkjessup

What you are describing is fascism. That is, state directed private ownership with a military/nationalistic twist. Communism typically disallows private investment, especially from foreign nationals ie US outsourcing.


18 posted on 07/25/2008 4:02:24 AM PDT by semantic
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To: bluejay

“I agree China is not a Communist country; it’s just a corrupt authoritarian one.”

Sadly, this is true. But the latter is one hellofa step better than the former, and I’m willing to bet we’ll see more positive changes over time.


19 posted on 07/25/2008 4:03:28 AM PDT by compound w
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To: semantic

That’s a good point, but one should also consider the relaxation that’s occured in terms of public freedom. And as my favorite president used to say, freedom is infectious.


20 posted on 07/25/2008 4:05:25 AM PDT by compound w
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