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How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Pajamas Media ^ | July 13, 2008 | by Elizabeth Scalia

Posted on 07/13/2008 1:24:13 PM PDT by library user

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To: VermiciousKnid

Amazing isn’t it....

I guess CINO could also be a Christian In Name Only...so may people I see who wear the ‘Christian’ moniker without living according to Christ’s words.


41 posted on 07/13/2008 3:34:58 PM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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To: freeangel

Wrong on both counts.

Some claim to be Catholic when in fact they aren’t. Some claim to be Christian when they aren’t really. Some claim to be Jewish when they aren’t, in that they don’t follow the Bible. Some claim to be Greek/Eastern Orthodox when they aren’t in that they don’t live the teachings.

How can any Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist, Southern Baptist, COE, Episcipalian, Assembly of God, Pentecostal, etc. vote for someone like Obama? I don’t know but there are plenty who claim they are yet they will vote for Obama.


42 posted on 07/13/2008 3:40:59 PM PDT by Twink
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To: library user

Obama is getting me to do what I swore I would not do. Vote for McCain.


43 posted on 07/13/2008 4:27:26 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: fish hawk

Beautiful fish, post it every chance you get.


44 posted on 07/13/2008 4:35:06 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: library user

Obama is obviously not prolife no doubt.

But McCain is also not prolife either, make no mistake.

There are plenty of sources on the net to point this out.

So for me, McCain is also out, I’ll write in a candidate.


45 posted on 07/13/2008 5:03:34 PM PDT by m4629
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To: m4629
There are plenty of sources on the net to point this out. So for me, McCain is also out, I’ll write in a candidate.

they adopted an abandoned baby. That's a very pro-life thing to do.

46 posted on 07/13/2008 5:17:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: library user
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?

Simple - they are not following the command to live their faith as a light to the world. Period. Thus bringing their "faith" into question...

47 posted on 07/13/2008 6:52:38 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: library user
The headline, of course, says it all: they can rationalize their apostasy all they want, but they can in no rational way defend it on either church or Biblical grounds.

John, in the First Epistle of John, saw these poseurs coming: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

48 posted on 07/13/2008 7:23:49 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: wiley

Chaput was young and very naive then. Today Chaput is older and still naive about a lot of things.


49 posted on 07/13/2008 8:31:37 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: the invisib1e hand

“they adopted an abandoned baby. That’s a very pro-life thing to do.”

I’m sorry, that’s only one piece of the puzzle. As I have said, the net has plenty of sources indicating McCain is NOT prolife, including criticism from Alan Keyes.

Besides, even crooks donate to charities sometimes, so some good work does not render a candidate as overall prolife.


50 posted on 07/13/2008 9:35:29 PM PDT by m4629
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It is quite simple. Many Catholics rationalize that Obama will be better for the “poor”, unions, and illegal aliens. So that trumps being pro abortion.

I have heard that myself. And you have the bishops to blame.

51 posted on 07/13/2008 10:08:31 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: m4629
I’m sorry, that’s only one piece of the puzzle.

But it's a fact, whereas you are trafficking in conjecture and hearsay.

52 posted on 07/14/2008 3:20:11 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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BOOKMARK


53 posted on 07/14/2008 5:20:56 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: library user
war, torture, the death penalty, poverty, racism

The application of just war theory to things like the War on Terror, Iraq and Afghanistan are matters of prudential debate. I don't think Democratic pacifism is the only reasonable answer to the solution. John McCain has been a strong opponent of torture, even in the broadened definition of torture that the Left is pushing. As for poverty, government programs and handouts are not the only way to fight it, but also having a strong, free and prosperous economy. Once again, the Democratic party's answers are not necessarily the best concerning this. As for racism, Obama's pastor of 20 years embraces and teaches an explicitly racist ideology, Black liberation theology, and Obama himself stereotypes a whole race of people when he calls his own grandmother a "typical white person". Obama is no cure for racism or racial healing.

54 posted on 07/14/2008 6:08:39 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: library user

Simple..devout Democrats, nominal Catholics


55 posted on 07/14/2008 7:36:36 AM PDT by steve8714 (If they leave you alone are you free or at peace?)
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To: library user
There was a Catholics 4 Kerry.org. It was an answer to Catholics Against Kerry. They used a stooge who claimed to be a 4th degree Knight of Columbus. By doing that he endangered the K of C's tax exempt status but of much more importance he was guilty of supporting a man who was an enemy of Catholic Church teaching. I tried to get someone in the K of C to say something publicly about the bum, but got the run around. I was told ( get this the K of C was a non political organization so they didn't want to get involved).
Catholics that care about Catholic teachings won't follow these baby killers. I co-chaired Catholics Against Kerry. We beat him 52/47. McCain will win Catholics 54/44 among all those claiming to be Catholics and 80/20 among real Catholics.
56 posted on 07/14/2008 7:43:08 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Look, I never disputed what you said about McCain’s adoption.

What I maintain is that does NOT make him overall prolife, from a catholic perspective.

Try the following for starters, plenty more info on the net.

http://www.euthanasia.com/keyes2.html

http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-is-not-pro-life.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdn_Iw_HTV8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTFJPir9BM

http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/mccain-pro-life-not-on-your-life/

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/browse_thread/thread/30bcf6b289cb3d32

In short, McCain is only less worse than Obama but NOT prolife.

No catholic is obliged to vote for whoever the GOP puts out. The candidate must pass the litmus test from catholic perspective. Matter of fact, shilling for McCain on prolife platform may well be quite sinful.

How you vote is none of my business, but I’ll see to that all the people I come in contact with knows that McCain is NOT prolife.


57 posted on 07/14/2008 3:32:12 PM PDT by m4629
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To: m4629
you're so busy trying make McCain evil that you fail to see the act of righteousness for what it is.

How constructive a citizen do you think that makes you?

58 posted on 07/14/2008 5:01:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (maybe apes evolved from people.)
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To: redgolum

Indeed, many of the “pieces of cloth” of the seamless garment theory are social justice rather than “life” related.

And, while we have different ideas of how best to achieve the social justice goals, we are labeled ‘right wing’.


59 posted on 07/14/2008 5:09:40 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Give me a break.

Just when did you lose the ability to be impartial?

Ok, dense as it is, please allow me to elaborate further, using a real life example.....

I have a close family member who regularly gave money and supported an orphanage, in addition to visitations and gifts ect BUT, he also encouraged and had his girlfriend went through an abortion. How’s that for a trump card?

Making an act of kindness however great is it does not necessaritly qualify him to be “prolife”.

You really need to get off the high horse of shilling for McCain and align yourself with the Catholic definition of what prolife is.

McCain, I’ll say again, is NOT prolife, neither is Obama. I don’t care if you are a card carrying GOP member.

Sorry, that’s just the way it is.


60 posted on 07/14/2008 5:25:34 PM PDT by m4629
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