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Oh Great! Dumb, Dumber and Spineless on Tour
New Media Journal ^ | July 11, 2008 | JB Williams

Posted on 07/11/2008 9:50:12 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

When I first heard former Senator Phil Gramm refer to our economic condition as a “mental crisis” and suggest that too many Americans had become “whiners,” my immediate reaction was, too bad too few Americans would comprehend the hard truth he just set before them…

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Technically speaking, as if the facts matter any more, Phil Gramm is right on both counts, though it was dumb of him to think he could just blurt out the truth to an ignorant American electorate at this late date. He wins the “dumb” award for not knowing how the “whiners” would react to such a comment, or how the dumber would jump at the chance to exploit it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gramm; mccain; obama; voters
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Phil Gramm is absolutely correct. From the youngest to the oldest and I am in the older group.You older folks need to visit AARP chat rooms and see what I mean. The Demercrats have gotten us to expecting everything free with no work or sacrifice involved. Jeremiah Wright may well get his wish for this lazy ungrateful nation of whiners.
21 posted on 07/11/2008 10:30:06 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Whether he is right or not is not the issue. Realpolitik is needed to win this election and if he is espousing the idea that optimism and glass half full mental manipulation is the trick I have some land I’d like to sell him.


22 posted on 07/11/2008 10:35:21 AM PDT by dolphins
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Not a single founder believed that this nation could ever survive lazy absentee management of an ill-advised electorate which thought it only need show up and cast a vote once every four years, then return to daily life as if they had done their part...and all would be well.

Not too long ago, not a single conservative believed this crap either.

But in the rush to escape responsibility for the mess we have allowed, even conservatives look for government solutions to the many problems government has created.

How truly sad!


23 posted on 07/11/2008 10:36:28 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: gunnedah

Well said, and real sad!


24 posted on 07/11/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: dolphins

You read the MSM too much.


25 posted on 07/11/2008 10:38:26 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The Founders also didn’t envision the career politicians or “political dynasties” we have today. Or the men and women who use the position for their own gain and lifetime pensions, etc.


26 posted on 07/11/2008 10:42:31 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Of course they did, they had seen it before.

They warned about it, told us what to do about it, told us how to avoid it, and nobody listened...


27 posted on 07/11/2008 10:45:27 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: BallyBill
If Phil would've just said that the Media is filled with whiners, it would've went over much better.

If you watch the video, it's pretty clear that's what he was talking about.

28 posted on 07/11/2008 11:19:23 AM PDT by TheMole
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To: TheMole

But if you only see the MSM snip job intended for public consumption, you would have no idea what he meant. He sounds like a mean spirited “rich” guy... which is how the left and their MSM intends it to remain.

Meanwhile, idiot McCain threw him under the bus instead of bashing the press for yet another scam job on the voters.

Sickening!


29 posted on 07/11/2008 11:26:54 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

“Stop whining. Vote for your own destruction!” Phil Gramm and the McCainiacs


30 posted on 07/11/2008 11:39:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye
No way...

I'm full of “hope” and seeking “change!”

I'm jumping the RNC ship and helping the “real conservatives” in America elect Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama, the new American Messiah!

I'll be working to help obscure no-chance nobody's like Ron Paul and Alan Keyes, as they keep McCain out of the White House by seating the New Messiah.

Viva le Revolution! Won't you join me?

31 posted on 07/11/2008 11:46:46 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

While the feds are not responsible, they would certainly have us believe they are, until bad stuff happens.

People complaining about the price of essentials, is not whining. Myself and many others, truly resent the words and manner in which Mr. Gramm spoke. It truly sounded elitist and very out of touch with what is happening at the common folk level.


32 posted on 07/11/2008 11:52:15 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
Actually, the fed IS responsible for every mess in America today. But they are not supposed to be...

This is how they have handled things, ever since we stopped handling things ourselves.

The joke is that we are still looking to them to solve anything...

People complaining about the price of essentials IS whining, unless they are trying to do something productive about, like force congress to stop blocking domestic production, and stop shopping at Wal-Mart, who has put more small independent business on the unemployment line than any other U.S. company.

Americans are stupid.

They expect low prices and high wages. These things don't go together. They expect good government, which is an oxymoron. Americans are not able to survive their own ignorance...

33 posted on 07/11/2008 12:04:10 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Edit35

From what I’ve read here on FR, McCain has blown a number of opportunities. Scary to think we will get such a president, especially after watching Mr. Gramm and hearing what he said. They are so out of touch with regular folks, they may as well all be addressed as royalty.


34 posted on 07/11/2008 12:06:11 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was lucky enough to have worked in an area of defense that wasn’t affected by Carter.

Whether or not someone has a job, doesn’t change the price of things.


35 posted on 07/11/2008 12:13:06 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

Gramm only said two things...

1) With persistance, you really can talk a good economy into the tank. (He’s right about that.)

2) A nation of “whatever it takes winners” has become a nation of do-nothing “whiners.” (He’s right about that too.)

But because the last three generations of Americans have been trained to “whine” instead of “win,” it was a very unwelcome message...

No matter, that’s where we are and after the “whiners” complete their mission of causing the nation to collapse, “winners” will rebuild it again.

That’s how it has always been throughout history and we are watching history repeat itself.


36 posted on 07/11/2008 12:14:28 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I won’t lift a finger to help any of them.


37 posted on 07/11/2008 12:19:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye

So, you’re for Obama?


38 posted on 07/11/2008 12:20:58 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Can’t you read?


39 posted on 07/11/2008 12:22:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye

Of course, can’t you calculate?

Is there someone besides McCain and Obama who could become the next president?


40 posted on 07/11/2008 12:28:12 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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