Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?

The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 7/6/2008 | Andy McCarthy

[Aria]

I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?

Is there anything to this?

ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

07/06 12:09 PM

[river rat]

"If Obama is disqualified on this kind of technicality blacks will see it as an action of white racists trying to pull the same shit they did in the days of segregation, hiding behind the rule of law, states rights, the Constitution.

Again you exhibit pretty muddy thinking...
Not being QUALIFIED as prescribed in the constitution, is not a technicality -- it is a fundamental disqualifier. If blacks wish to riot -- so be it.
The anger SHOULD be directed at Obama if he deceived them. At some point - the LAW and the CONSTITUTION should be upheld.

"I don't know where you live but your bluster sounds to me like that of a monumental fool, someone who's never actually experienced street riots and burning cities."

I went to Anacostia High School, in S.E. Washington, D.C.in the late 50's and still lived on the Washington border in 68 during the riots..
I KNOW what rioting animals in the streets is all about.
I was armed then, out in the street - but didn't need to fire.

Don't for a moment doubt I would fire if necessary.
I'm an old man -- but not too old to repeat acts of the past.
I've made more than my share of bones - and would not recoil from the need to fire on rioters... Not for an instant.

You take the typical position, that when black thugs riot - the white man is responsible...

In this case - if Obama is disqualified (which I doubt, by the way) and blacks riot and people die -- it is ALL on Obama's head for deceiving America about his eligibility - it would clearly be a case of "Obama Lied and People Died"... Right?

[liberallarry]

I'm glad to hear you are experienced. That, at least, is reassuring.

My position is all those who wanted to question Obama's qualifications had plenty of time to do so. That time is passed. Maybe not technically, but, in reality, for the consequences of such a disqualification are now enormous.

If Obama is presented with evidence of fraud and admits to it, then, there will be no rioting. His supporters will be angry and humiliated but they will accept the situation. Not everyone, but most.

But that's a scenario which I find virtually not believable.

He will challenge the authenticity of whatever documents are produced. There will be the usual interminable and unconvincing legal struggle. And it will end in a verdict which will convince no one who is not already predisposed.

There'll be civil war.

[river rat]

"There'll be civil war."

"My position is all those who wanted to question Obama's qualifications had plenty of time to do so."

Since when has the DNC or Chicago ever shown any interest in determining the eligibility of one of their candidates to do anything beyond getting elected?

Clearly - the DNC is not the "opposition"..
It is a very recent event - that bloggers have questioned the authenticity of the Birth Certificated posted.

Now that he has been put forth as the likely candidate - ANYONE can challenge his eligibility.
If Obama can't provide legitimate proof of his citizenship -- his opponents should demand the DNC deny him the nomination. Remember - he hasn't YET been nominated.

If in the unlikely case that Obama is not a citizen, and allowed the situation to spin out of control merely to pursue his ambitions --- then Obama is responsible.

"He will challenge the authenticity of whatever documents are produced. "

Others are NOT required to produce documents... OBAMA is required to produce proof of his being a natural born citizen.

"There'll be Civil War".

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there has been a low level Civil War in America for decades..
If an Obama lie throws it into full scale - who is to blame?

[nikos1121]

“The ultra left dim establishment have probably already had a insider in the Hawaiian bureaucracy manufacture false documents that show “Barry” Hussein Mohammed Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Exactly. That’s why you need the original birth certtificate and the hopital records of the birth. What is posted is a “certificate or proof of birth” suitable to obtain passports etc. This is NOT an actual birth certificate.

This has been said many time before, but DAMMITT I’m saying it again:

This whole thing is so basic.

Hey,Obama. What are you hiding?

Show us your original Birth Certificate.
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[liberallarry]

Obama has been a serious candidate for many months. He has been a public official for years. It's the responsibility of all sorts of government and non-government agencies to make sure that something like this doesn't happen. It's not solely that of the DNC. Certainly the FBI has looked at his birth certificate many times. Bloggers are not going to find anything they couldn't.

So what will happen - if anything does - is that someone will produce some new documents or witnesses or experts which they'll claim prove the official birth certificate is a fraud.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there has been a low level Civil War in America for decades..

Since the founding of the country. And that's the situation not just in this country but in every country. The genius of our system is that it has remained at a low level for all this time - except once, when it proved unable to handle the issue of race.

[river rat]

"He has been a public official for years. It's the responsibility of all sorts of government and non-government agencies to make sure that something like this doesn't happen."

Get a grip on things.... NONE of Obama's former "positions" required him to be a "Natural Born Citizen"..
The Presidency - DOES.

It is NOT the Government's job to keep low level politicians from lying, they do it all the time!

Why in hell would you think the FBI would have "looked at his Birth Certificate many times"?
To what purpose?

Your faith in the honesty of politicians and concept of the efficiency of the Federal Government --- indicates the naivety of a Liberal/Leftist.

Look at the 10s of millions of illegal immigrants running around with fake, stolen or "purchased" identity documents..

Oh, and by the way --- STATES RIGHTS among other issues was the principal cause of the Civil War, with slavery a side issue tied to States Rights.

[Dajjal]

I know Obama has said that words are pretty important. But so are symbols. I found this interesting. The symbol of Stalin/Lenin had similar “star” as the Obama poster at http://pentdego.com/obama.aspx

See these threads on the artist, Shepard Fairey:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/fairey/index?tab=articles

Fairey is another AmeriKKKa-hating Marxist friend-of-Obama. He has raised over $400,000 for Obama's campaign.

Obama has written Fairey that he admires "the political messages involved in your work."

[suijuris]

Obama is definitely hiding something. It is speculation as to what, but he is hiding something.

My unoffical sources tell me it is the name Mohamed behind the Hussein that he does not want anyone to know about.

[bvw]

Stalin would have had him enviscerated alive. Mao would have starved him in a windowless basement cell. Fairey is his name, and playing the diffident dilletante of a spoiled suburban brat is his game. He’s very artistic and life-wise stupid but not Marxist.

[cruise_missile]

Very interesting. How many Marxist friends does this guy have? I know Wright said the Black Liberation Theology was base on James Cone. James Cone said it was based on Marxism, Christianity and The Nation of Islam.

Bill Ayers was/is he a Marxist too? He sure seems to have leanings that way.

Don’t Marxist hate America?
Now this artist. This should be HUGE news.

[SatinDoll]

To be eligible for the Presidency one must have been born within the United States or its territories, period.

Being a citizen isn’t enough. Yes, he would be a U.S. citizen if he was born overseas and his mother is a U.S. citizen. But he wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

[liberallarry]

States Rights was the principal cause of the Civil War? Baloney. The principal causes were disagreements over slavery and tariffs. States Rights was the legal vehicle which the Confederate States used to argue their position. Your assertion is the kind of obscurantist fog which is typical of those who argue your for your point of view. I don't know whether there would have been a Civil War if tariffs had been the only issue but there certainly would have been one had slavery been the sole point of contention.

Obama is a United States Senator. That is NOT a minor political position. He is on the Foreign Relations and Homeland Security committees. You believe he could be on those without undergoing a serious background check? That he would undergo no more scrutiny than an illegal alien trying to cash a payroll check? Horrifying if true...and I very much doubt that it is.

[liberallarry]

with slavery a side issue tied to States Rights

I just re-read your post. I can't believe you said this. Anyone who would is either a monumental liar to has elevated self-deception to the level of major psychological disorder.

[liberallarry]

Correction: “to” should be “or”.

[river rat]

Go away...

Any further responses to your posts -— which indicate an ignorant and biased view of history is pointless.

Sadly, I don’t have the time to re-educate you after the damage already done by Pubic Skools.

It would also require language which could get me banned for life...

Go away.. Do NOT send me any more posts.... NONE.