Sandra Tanner and Utah Lighthouse Ministries lose lawsuit against FairLDS

[Grig]

A three-judge panel of the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of FairLDS, Scott Gordon, and Allen Wyatt and against Sandra Tanner and Utah Lighthouse Ministry.

This lawsuit was an effort to limit free speech by making an online parody websites legally actionable. The case was previously thrown out in summery judgment by the Tenth Circuit Court for the District of Utah, but Mrs. Tanner appealed.

You can read the full court ruling here:

http://www.ck10.uscourts.gov/opinions/07/07-4095.pdf

You can read a write-up from the Citizen Media Law Project on the judgment here:

http://tinyurl.com/58dvho

Here is the original District judge's ruling that was affirmed:

http://www.thelen.com/tlu/UtahLighthouseVDiscoveryComputing.pdf

[Graybeard58]

Hey, it's your 7 ^th anniversary, congrats!

[Old Mountain man]

Check out the Nixon tapes and the Haldeman Diaries. Very interesting stuff from 1972.

[ejonesie22]

http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley031902.shtml

Good article by Buckley on the subject. I think, as conservatives, Bill's thoughts are much like our own on the subject.

Of course that would then be wasted on others, because it is a reasoned reply...

[MHGinTN]

Interesting read from William F. ... I can hear his voice when I read such clear lines from his typewriter, complete with the trademark pauses and drawn out syllables. I do so enjoy that aspect of reading the words from famously broadcast men and women.

[svcw]

Thanks for the link. Do you think omm would take the time to read the article?
Probably not, would not support his world view.........

[svcw]

Thanks.
As a religion clinging, gun totting, typical white woman I love your tag line.

[ejonesie22]

Not a chance...

[ejonesie22]

Very well reasoned response and defense of Graham, though none was needed among the serious, both Christian and Jew. Graham was a great friend to Israel and the Jewish people year after year. A conversation with Nixon a lifetime does not make.

[Zakeet]

Re. A good ruling protecting freedom of speech!

I am totally confused!

I noticed where numerous Saints on this thread laud the courts for upholding free speech but ...

Didn't the LDS Church threaten the Tanners with legal action when they published the above books disclosing the Mormon Temple Ceremony ...

... and didn't the LDS Church then back down because the Temple Ceremony wasn't copyrighted

... and wasn't the reason why the Temple Ceremony wasn't copyrighted because it meant disclosure to the public ...

... and didn't the LDS Church then claim the Tanners were not publishing a correct rendition of the Temple Ceremony ... only to be embarrassed when former temple workers and smuggled tape recordings affirmed the validity of the Tanners' publication?

Didn't the LDS Church sue the Tanners when they published a few pages from the Mormon Church's Handbook of Instructions telling people how to remove their name from the LDS Records ...

... and wasn't this information widely available on the Internet at the time ...

... and didn't the Tanners promptly comply with the LDS Church's demands to remove the offending material and links ...

... and weren't the Tanners sued anyway by the LDS Church ...

... and didn't the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper simultaneously publish print and post the URL’s of web sites containing the Church Handbook of Instructions ...

... and didn't the Mormon Church not sue the Salt Lake Tribune ...

... and didn't the Mormon Church not sue people who published the Church Handbook of Instructions on the Internet ...

... and didn't this lead to allegations the Mormon Church's lawsuit was an attempt to an attempt to stifle the Tanners' First Amendment right of free speech, bankrupt their Ministry?

So in light of the above, how is it possible to proclaim the LDS Church is a protector of free speech and a defender of liberty?

[metmom]

Free speech for me but not for thee.

It’s amazing the number of people who are for free speech when it comes to THEM speaking but when it’s others???

Well, you know the deal. We can’t offend them or hurt their poor widdle feewings.

[Clara Lou]

What an awesome post!

[Elsie]

Please point these "twisted facts" out.

You KNOW you'll get NOTHING but accusations; with NOTHING to back them up!

The TarBaby thinks it's winning!

[Elsie]

Spin, spin, spin ... where’s your proof of them lying on four occasions.

SEE ABOVE.

[Elsie]

Which number is that on the list?WHICH list?

There's more than one...

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There is THIS one.............

 

 

 

                       Standard LDS responses to data put to them:

 

Shorthand

Reference:
1. How you interpret it is wrong...	(Need a source)
2. You are too ignorant to really understand it because you are not a member....	(Need a source)
3. You're not qualified to judge because you're no LONGER a member...	(Need a source)
4. You are just a bigot for bringing the whole ugly truth to light ...	(Need a source)
5. So’s yer Mama!	(Need a source)
6. Laugh it all off and post some silly image.	(Need a source)
7. Jump down the rabbit hole; Alice!	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1982682/posts?page=683#683
8. Bait & Switch	(Need a source)
9. The OTHER 'half' of the truth is what we are avoiding.	(Need a source)
10. "I Know It When I See It"	(Need a source)
11. Hand waving...	(Need a source)
12. YOU play defense for a while.	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1982682/posts?page=944#944
13. HEE Hee hee... let's get the Calvinists and the Arminians fighting!	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1994515/posts?page=15#15
14. GREAT FUN! Let's get the Catholics and the Protestants fighting!	(Need a source)
15. Huh? Did you say something?	(Need a source)
16. If I repeat this enough times some folks will be fooled into thinking it's true.	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1997522/posts?page=2252#2252
17. Playing dumb.	(Need a source)
18. Refusing to answer because your ATTITUDE offends them.	(Need a source)
19. (Let's see if they'll fall for the 'Defend a freak' ploy.)	(Need a source)
20. And the MOST used...  IGNORE what they posted and answer the question that SHOULD have been asked.	http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8
21. Threatening other FReepers with legal action because they annoy you with facts. (E-Danite-ism)	http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2008967/posts?page=335#335

 

 

 

And there is THIS one......

 

 

MORMON

Some Characteristics...

 

1-Critics should be silenced.

2-Anything remotely unfavorable to the church is “ANTI-MORMON” and should be quickly labeled as such.

3-Balance is not required or desired. Everything in print should sing the unending praises of Jesus’ true cult.

4-Jesus has one true church. All other opinions are of Satan and should be held with the appropriate contempt.

5-Mormons are the moral majority and have the right, or even duty, to correct the misinformed.

6-Free speech should be allowed so that people can freely praise the church. Other forms of free speech are unnecessary.

7-The Mormon church is responsible for everything good in Utah and nothing bad. If you feel the church may be associated with something negative please refer to point two above.

8-Opinions other that the correct Mormon opinion are invalid, offensive, and not worthy of voice.

9-The Mormon church has never done anything to be ashamed of. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!

[Elsie]

Nanner, nanner, nanner!

[Elsie]

Legitimate question - are you a Tannerite or a conservative American?

ILlegimate way to LIMIT the possible answers.

[Elsie]

alley? ;^)

[Elsie]

Sticks and stones,
May break my bones,
but words just piss me off.

[Elsie]

You’re just against the Tanners because they have been very very good at documenting the false claims of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, et al.

Not exactly right.

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The Tanner's are good at using SMITH & Company's VERY OWN WORDS at documenting the LDS Organizations false claims.

[Elsie]

You threatened another FReeper with particular language for "annoying" you.

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Do you what kind of a sound will upset a lobster??

Me neither; but....

A noisy noise annoys an oyster.

(Ya gotta say it out loud)