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The Battle for Catholic Voters
TIME ^ | July 2, 2008 | AMY SULLIVAN

Posted on 07/03/2008 7:34:00 AM PDT by NYer

Douglas Kmiec is the kind of Catholic voter the GOP usually doesn't have to think twice about. The Pepperdine law professor and former Reagan Justice Department lawyer (Samuel Alito was an office mate) attends Mass each morning. He has actively opposed abortion for most of his adult life, working with crisis pregnancy centers to persuade women not to undergo the procedure. He is a member of the conservative Federalist Society and occasionally sends a contribution to Focus on the Family.

He is also a vocal supporter of Barack Obama. Kmiec made waves in the Catholic world in late March when he endorsed the Democratic candidate. But Kmiec insists that while he still considers himself a Republican, his choice is clear this election year. "I have grave moral doubts about the war, serious doubts about the economic course Republicans have followed over the last seven years, and believe that immigration reforms won't come about by Republican hands," he says. "Senator McCain would not be the strongest advocate for the balance of things that I care about."

A new Time poll of Catholic voters reveals that Kmiec is part of a broader pattern. Although Obama was thought to have a "Catholic problem" during the Democratic primaries, in which Hillary Clinton won a majority of Catholic votes, he has pulled even with John McCain among that constituency—Obama now polls 44% to his GOP opponent's 45%.

There are 47 million Catholic voters, and while they are too numerous and varied to speak of as a monolithic Catholic bloc, they have long been a kind of holy grail for presidential candidates.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


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1 posted on 07/03/2008 7:37:03 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The winner of eight out of the past nine elections has captured a majority of Catholic votes (they voted for Al Gore in 2000), and there are large Catholic concentrations in key states like Florida, Ohio and New Mexico.

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2 posted on 07/03/2008 7:38:28 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

If this fellow supports Mr. Obama, he is committing a mortal sin...because Mr. Obama believes deeply in abortion. In the Roman Catholic faith, committing an abortion, having an abortion or abetting in an abortion is a mortal sin.

If he votes for Mr. Obama, he had better get to confession quickly.


3 posted on 07/03/2008 7:40:58 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: NYer

Attending Mass doesn’t cut it. Actually believing and putting that belief into practice does. His support of this abortionist, partial-birth abortionist, and botched-abortion-baby-killer negates all of his other empty gestures.


4 posted on 07/03/2008 7:41:19 AM PDT by frogjerk (Barry Hussein is Neville Chamberlain)
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To: NYer
Obama's campaign more closely resembles the 2004 Bush outreach effort.

Yeah, like Rev. Pfleger. Give me a break.

5 posted on 07/03/2008 7:46:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (Barry Hussein is Neville Chamberlain)
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To: RexBeach
If he votes for Mr. Obama, he had better get to confession quickly.

This "bottom-up, personal responsibility" message, as he describes it, appeals to Kmiec, allowing him to be not just a McCain skeptic but also an Obama supporter. That decision has not come without a cost—this spring Kmiec was denied Communion by a priest who denounced his endorsement of Obama.

A priest with the guts to defend the faith! Amen!

7 posted on 07/03/2008 7:48:29 AM PDT by frogjerk (Barry Hussein is Neville Chamberlain)
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To: NYer
Here is his "nuanced" justification:

"but what about a candidate like Obama who is not pro-abortion, but of the view that the civil law best leaves this question to the mother in consultation with their own clergyman and doctor?"

8 posted on 07/03/2008 7:50:19 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: MadMitch

Put on your flame-retardant suits, that was 4 alarm flame bait!


9 posted on 07/03/2008 7:50:46 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Who the hell do I vote for now?))
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To: frogjerk

Whoever that priest is, I’d enjoy shaking his hand and buying him a beer! God bless him.


10 posted on 07/03/2008 7:50:46 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: frogjerk
The Obama frauds at Time drag out ONE phony Obama operative in America to peddle a bunch of BS. Obama is a pro abortion and pro partial birth and pro denying medical care to infants surviving abortions . Nothing else needs to be said.No wonder this leftist rag is DYING .
11 posted on 07/03/2008 7:52:16 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: NYer

Kmiec is simply proof that no one is perfect. (sigh)


12 posted on 07/03/2008 7:56:27 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: MadMitch
I’ll make up my own mind rather than follow an Nazi based in Rome.

You have a serious problem.

13 posted on 07/03/2008 7:57:45 AM PDT by frogjerk (Barry Hussein is Neville Chamberlain)
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To: MadMitch
I’ll make up my own mind rather than follow an (sic) Nazi based in Rome.

Your sentiments are as pathetic as your grammar.

14 posted on 07/03/2008 7:59:27 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: RexBeach

Well I obviously support McCain over Obama, but I don’t think it’s fair to accuse this guy of committing a sin just by voting for a politician who commits a sin. Our system only gives us two choices every election and neither of them is almost ever anywhere even CLOSE to perfect. If moral voters refused to vote for any candidate who supports anything bad we’d all have to stay home.

I guess I’m the opposite of this guy. On balance I find McCain a better choice and abortion is one of the biggest reasons why. But, it’s still true that by voting for McCain I will be voting for somebody who supports some things I don’t support at all. I don’t think that means I’ve changed my opinion about them, just that I’m being practical and picking the choice I think is overall the better of the two.


15 posted on 07/03/2008 8:02:06 AM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: frogjerk

Who was the priest and where? Amen! A priest with courage!!! This is why the battling the evil of abortion is so hard! Kmeic should say 50 million Our Fathers for the 50 million dead children who have died because of the evil of abortion! God have mercy on this country and it’s people!


16 posted on 07/03/2008 8:04:08 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: NYer
still considers himself a Republican

Still considers himself a Christian, too.

17 posted on 07/03/2008 8:05:26 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: MadMitch

Grow up! We are talking about a serious subject here.People who call themselves Christian and then proceed to support evil and that’s your remark?


18 posted on 07/03/2008 8:06:43 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: MadMitch

>>I’ll make up my own mind rather than follow an Nazi based in Rome.<<

You’re from the AP aren’t you?


19 posted on 07/03/2008 8:13:51 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: CatherinePPP

It’s the seriousness of the sin! How long can Christians vote for politicians who support the evil of abortion and let us not forget homosexuality agenda of the democratic party. I do believe there will be a drastic change in being allies with Israel if Obama wins as well. But if Christians can’t go against candidates who support and promote abortion,in all stages and more,then we are nothing more than pagans. 50 million dead children,14 million African American children,yea this is serious sin. Our Savior came from the womb,you would think it would be sacred. But now it is used as a death chamber,but Jesus brought eternal life to all of us through the womb of Mary.


20 posted on 07/03/2008 8:18:56 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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