Posted on 07/01/2008 4:59:44 PM PDT by dukeman
Here's a DU sampler from earlier today when the moonbats first learned of Obama's intention to extend the "Faith-Based" initiatives concept:
onehandle Tue Jul-01-08 06:27 AM
1. Wow.
DU will be a bloodbath today.
WillBowden Tue Jul-01-08 07:06 AM
24. No. Sorry.
I refuse to help him get elected. After all the things he's done in the past few months I'm no longer sure I can even vote for him.I realize that the rules of DU state we must support the candidate. If Skinner wants he can remove me from DU. I've been here for a lot of years and have always supported the candidate, but I'm not sure I can support him anymore. This is a message that I left on his website. Yes, I'm wearing flame-proof underwear so have at it.You may have lost my vote today.By expanding the Bush "faith-based-initiatives program" you've moved farther to the right and become nothing more than Bush-Lite in my opinion.I was angry when you said that you believed marriage should be between a man and a woman, enforcing discrimination against gay men and women.I was incredulous when you had Donnie McClurkin spouting anti-gay invectives from stage while you merely said you didn't agree with his stand.I was saddened when you said that gay marriage should be left up to the states. I could not believe that you, the man who wants to be president, would say that the rights of a minority should be given at the behest of the majority.But this? This sir is wrong on so many different levels and I find I cannot vote for you in the 2008 Presidential elections. For the first time in my adult life I cannot vote for the Democratic candidate and this is one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.
comradebillyboy Tue Jul-01-08 11:35 AM
264. I think Mr. Obama has identified the voters he needs to win
the left has no where else to go, so a very big move to the right is in order; those are the votes he needs. He can take the lefties for granted. By the way I don't understand the furor here, he has used religion and churches as a big part of his political base for his entire career. This should not be any kind of surprise to all of you "high information" types. This move is in no way a flip.
NCevilDUer Tue Jul-01-08 12:23 PM
301. Agree. That's why he was originally my 4th choice.
As of today, he is STILL my choice.Like, did anyone really believe he was going to take 'under god' out of the pledge, or 'in god we trust' off the f***ing money? I'll be happy if he simply puts religious charities on equal footing with secular charities, and visa versa - with no favoritism to any. And THAT, I think he is capable of.
tavalon Tue Jul-01-08 08:00 AM
Hey, what say you go take a walk, ignore Obama for a while, let him do the dirty part of this work of getting elected, hopefully without losing his whole soul and towards the end, come back and I think you'll see something more to your liking. He's pandering right now, it's what he's supposed to do right now and those of us who can't watch had best sit it out a while. No, he isn't going to be the second coming of the messiah, but right now he's going to look a lot like Judas. Ignore it. He isn't talking to you right now and if you demand it of him and he chooses to listen to you, he will lose. He needs more than just our votes so he's pandering. Close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears for the next few months - this isn't the time to take him to task. He knows he can count on us to block some of his stupider ideas but he needs to be able to trust that we will wait for him to be elected before we pounce. While he has integrity, he's also a Chicago politico - he knows what he needs to do right now. If you can't wait, then don't watch, not right now and not until the convention. He's grooming people you don't like to vote for him and I guarantee you aren't going to like how he does it. It's ugly. It was ugly when Kennedy did it and it was ugly when Clinton did it and it was necessary in both situations and it's necessary now. Basically, what I'm telling you is that he knows this is indefensible and not doable. He also knows that Ma and Pa don't know that and that they really want him to say this so they can feel good about voting "values". He's gladhanding for their votes and gosh, it'll be too bad when he isn't able to do those things but thats politics.
Two Americas Tue Jul-01-08 08:35 AM
I hope you are kidding
"...he knows this is indefensible and not doable. He also knows that Ma and Pa don't know that and that they really want him to say this so they can feel good about voting 'values'. He's gladhanding for their votes and gosh, it'll be too bad when he isn't able to do those things but thats politics."
So you are saying he is intentionally misleading the people, and sees them in the patronizing and condescending way you just described?
This is very much "doable" - it is already happening and it is a huge gravy train and massive heist of public funds for ambitious hustlers on the religious right.
JDPriestly Tue Jul-01-08 11:38 AM
2 Sorry, but Obama on FISA and now this.
Those are fundamental Democratic principles. These are the bedrock of the Constitution. I am horrified by Obama's proposal. I am a solid Democrat. I walk precincts. I do everything. I table. I make phone calls. I work to get Democrats elected. And I do it because Democrats have been the most likely to protect my personal rights of any party and because Democrats support the rights of ordinary Americans, ordinary working Americans and the poor.Obama is attacking Democratic ideals. This makes me sick. I feel that I have nowhere to turn.The courts are full of Republicans. And now Obama is taking the Democratic Party to which I have devoted a lot of myself in a direction that is just sick. I am so disappointed. \I strongly supported Edwards. Sorry guys. But I'm questioning whether I can support Obama.I am a Unitarian. I believe in tolerance. And I also believe that separation of church and state guarantees that at least a modicum of tolerance is the norm in our society.
zanne Tue Jul-01-08 08:28 AM
I am also disappointed in his recent concessions to the right.
I'm an Obama volunteer and I have been from the start. His recent pandering to the right is very disheartening. I don't know what to do--I know that I'll vote for him, because the alternative is just too horrible to imagine. I'm still a supporter and a volunteer, but I'm not as enthusiastic as I once was.
MissDeeds Tue Jul-01-08 08:52 AM
107. Even his supporters are voicing concern
Obama's actions in the past few weeks have been especially disheartening. We do not want someone in the White House who doesn't carry forth Democratic ideals. Just a "D" behind a name isn't good enough. At this point, Obama is the "presumptive" nominee. His supporters especially need to send a strong message that they want the same candidate they signed on for, not "Democrat lite".There is still a convention coming up.
alarimer Tue Jul-01-08 08:50 AM
I agree with you.
He's lost me for sure with this bullshit. I knew this would happen, but people refused to listen; they thought he was the second coming. I knew he would just be a huge disappointed and NO friend to progressive.
F*** this "faith-based" bullshit.
Hoof Hearted Tue Jul-01-08 11:03 AM
221. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit.
F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit. F*** this "faith-based" bullshit.
AMEN!
desktop Tue Jul-01-08 08:56 AM
Hillary not looking so bad now, huh..
I will vote for Obama, even though my vote is pointless, living in a rock red state. But the biggest lie promoted by the shallow minded advocates of Obama is that Hillary would "say or do anything to get elected". The truth was the other way around. From healthcare, social security, speed of Iraq withdrawal, FISA, expansion in Afghanistan, and now expansion of Bush's faith based funding of programs with my tax payer dollars, Hillary would have been the better more liberal candidate. It was no surprise the older and wiser voters supported Hillary Clinton in this election and the younger, impressionable voters drank the Obama koolaid right down while they hurled insults and untruths about the Clintons faster than a swiftboater attacking Kerry.
milord Tue Jul-01-08 10:55 AM
203. Sad to say, I agree with you
Obama is losing my vote. I disagree with his stance regarding Gen. Wesley Clark's incisive remarks about McCain's war record, and POW record, not qualifying him for president. Obama should have supported these remarks, as they are correct. Instead, he's treating McCain as if he has some holy status and is untouchable. Bullshit to that. And now this move towards faith-based shenanigans.Oh no. Not for me, thank you. I guess this means I just don't vote, but I hate to throw my vote away. I frankly don't know what to do. I suppose there's always Nader, but that might lead to a McCain victory, which is absolutely totally unacceptable.
KzooDem Tue Jul-01-08 10:58 AM
211. Oh good grief. The clue phone is ringing, pick it up already! THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
It's about US, an entire NATION.Just because Obama doesn't march to the same exact drummer as you do on issues that are important to you doesn't mean he's not the best candidate. F***, he's our ONLY candidate. What don't people like you UNDERSTAND about that???I'm gay, too, and have some reservations about how he has handled some of the gay issues. But, I also know that he was the first to commit to Logo's program to interview the presidential candidates on their stances on gay policies, etc.. I watched that and was impressed with his candor and his responses.I'm rabidly against the infiltration of religion into our government as well, and am not thrilled over the news of this faith-based plan.BUT...I'm not about to throw away the chance for us to seize power from a corrupt cabal of criminals just because I don't agree with EVERYTHING Obama says or does or thinks.
If you're waiting around for a candidate that fits what you believe to be the perfect mold, then you're going to be waiting an awfully long time.
Meanwhile, we have a friggin' democracy to reclaim, or at least what's LEFT of it.So, go ahead...throw away your vote in November. But if we lose, it is people with your mindset who have thoughtlessly and selfishly withheld or wasted their votes that I will excoriate!
WillBowden Tue Jul-01-08 11:07 AM
What don't people like me understand about that?
You're mistaken.I understand only too well. You say this election is not about me. Why? Why do I have to put the needs of everyone ahead of my own AGAIN? Why do I have to worry about their problems when they're obviously unconcerned with mine AGAIN? When do *I* get to matter? When does my FAMILY get to matter to someone other than me?
Yes, I'm a selfish, uncaring, insensitive bastard.
At what point would you say enough? When do you refuse to take a back seat to everyone else?
Ms. Rosa Parks had the courage to stand up and demand equal treatment.
Mr. King had the courage to say the time is now.
I don't have a lot of years left. When do I finally ask "can it be my turn now?"
Just wait until they lose the election. Again.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
/mark
I guess they don’t realize that oba-messiah is just lying to soothe the sheeple.
Just as many posts over there defending the Messiah for his flip flops.
Thanks alot...no I need another shower!
There libs on DU who say that they are voting for Nader and they hope Obama loses because they say if the country elects another Hoover, they get another FDR.
My kid said that to me a couple of weeks ago....I stopped dead in my tracks!
In retrospect, with Hillery vs. Obama, she had a point there. (dang, it kills me to admit that)
True. I just enjoy watching them wriggle and complain.
They’re idiot if they’re not going to vote for him because he “moved to the right”. He didn’t.
And those who ARE planning to vote for him because he “moved to the right” are BIGGER idiots!
What a nightmare!
Everything coming out of Obama’s mouth lately is a blatant lie (gun rights, death penalty, tax cuts, etc.).
Shows the danger of merging church and state in any way whatsoever. The next bunch gets in and funds the Muslims. Lesson learned? Too late?
These people definitely need to be kept out of power.
“no longer sure I can even vote for him.I realize that the rules of DU state we must support the candidate.”
cult!
Then again I am not sure I can vote for our amnesty global warming candidate either. But will probably vote against their global warming amnesty candidate.
Oh, it will be your turn soon, little-rich-white-boy-posting-from-mom's-basement...- when they slap Affirmative Action camps in every state and the gates have signs on them proclaiming, "Whites Only"...
If they would just read between the lines they would see that his “expansion” is just a means to funnel US tax money into the coffers of homegrown islamic fanatics.
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