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National Debt Makes U.S. Vulnerable; Lender Nations Could Wage 'Financial Warfare'
JSOnline ^ | June 29, 2008 | John Schmid

Posted on 06/30/2008 6:06:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: 2banana; RFEngineer

The inflation question was asked at the Madison event earlier this year. Dave Walker said that entitlements are indexed to inflation so it wouldn’t do any good.


21 posted on 06/30/2008 6:51:24 AM PDT by militem (Looking for a decent candidate for Congress)
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To: militem
The inflation question was asked at the Madison event earlier this year. Dave Walker said that entitlements are indexed to inflation so it wouldn’t do any good.

I know - that is the rock/hard place problem and why the FED lies about the true rate of inflation. BUT - The FED can NOT control anything but very short term interest rates. Medium and long term rates are set by the market and I think that is going to change and go much higher.

I have been looking into RTPIX, RRPIX, PST and TBT as a way to invest to what I think is going to happen...

22 posted on 06/30/2008 6:56:19 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

This would be good advise to our government.


23 posted on 06/30/2008 6:57:02 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Quix
Old email.

A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

No it it up to 1976. That means this email has been around for 17 years. (1 billion seconds = 31.69 years)

B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

And quite cranky at about 110 years old. (1 billion minutes = 1901 years).

E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

Now it is closer to 3 hours. ($1 billion / $2.9 trillion * 365 days * 24 hours = 3.02 hours)

24 posted on 06/30/2008 6:58:32 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“I’m sure that people during the Roman Empire never thought that that Rome would fall,”

...and yet, where would we be today, if it hadn’t?


25 posted on 06/30/2008 7:22:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: 2banana

For many people, #s 2 & 4 are extremely hard to do at the same time and it never works out that way.


26 posted on 06/30/2008 7:25:22 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Quix

1B Zimbabwe $ = approx 1 US $


27 posted on 06/30/2008 7:30:51 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good article, unfortunately written about five years too late.


28 posted on 06/30/2008 7:41:32 AM PDT by milky
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Can we sell ‘debt credits’ to other governments like the ‘carbon credits’ proposals?


29 posted on 06/30/2008 8:38:37 AM PDT by wildbill ( FR---changing history by erasing it from memory.)
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To: 2banana
“The politicians will take the easy way out and try to inflate their way out of this mess - which WILL lead to much higher interest rates (as the world is not going to fall for it)...”

Oh, higher interest rates for sure, but of greater concern are the radically higher tax rates (since even at high interest rates, US debt will be treated much like CDO debt is today)

So, if, as one poster pointed out, that entitlements indexed for inflation are honored (they won't be....but that's another story) and nobody will loan us money, then where will the government get the money? “The Rich”.....”Big Oil”....”Greedy CEO’s and their company's” The productive will be put out of business (or forced into the black market).

30 posted on 06/30/2008 8:50:43 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: 1rudeboy; wideawake

For the GOP to redeem itself it’s going to take people coming forth with revolutionary ideals - not more of the same stuff we have been seeing for the past 20 years or so.

The article says that we are increasingly having to rely on China and oil exporters to bail us out. The national debt problem would never have gotten to where it is without our trade imbalance.


31 posted on 06/30/2008 9:39:13 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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To: freedomfiter2

/facepalm


32 posted on 06/30/2008 9:41:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Borrowing puts our national security in peril. One of the few modifications to the Constitution that I would support is a balanced budget amendment.


33 posted on 06/30/2008 9:42:58 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: freedomfiter2
The article says that we are increasingly having to rely on China and oil exporters to bail us out.

The article says many things.

The question is: are they true?

The national debt problem would never have gotten to where it is without our trade imbalance

Really? So it is impossible for a country with a positive trade imbalance to borrow money?

Or, alternatively, it is impossible for a country with a negative trade imbalance to delever?

Here's a hint: our trade imbalance is currently $61 billion. Our total economy is $13.5 trillion.

In other words, our trade imbalance is 0.4% of our economy.

34 posted on 06/30/2008 9:48:46 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: 1rudeboy

Meant to ping you to 34.


35 posted on 06/30/2008 9:49:59 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

What did the founding fathers think about debt?

“I place economy among the first and most important of republic virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared.” -Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816

“Within our own borders we possess all the means of sustenance, defense, and commerce; at the same time, these advantages are so distributed among the different states of this continent as if nature had in view to proclaim to us be united among yourselves, and you will want nothing from the rest of the world.” Samuel Adams July 4, 1776, on Independence

“No generation has a right to contract debts greater than can be paid off during the course of its own existence.” - George Washington to James Madison 1789.


36 posted on 06/30/2008 9:51:10 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

No comment? The article is total BS. The foreign investors cannot call in the debt. They are stuck, powerless, watching their investment deflate every day. Tough.


37 posted on 06/30/2008 9:54:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: stuartcr

“The Roman Republic fell, not because of the ambition of Caesar or Augustus, but because it had already long ceased to be in any real sense a republic at all. When the sturdy Roman plebeian, who lived by his own labor, who voted without reward according to his own convictions, and who with his fellows formed in war the terrible Roman legion, had been changed into an idle creature who craved nothing in life save the gratification of a thirst for vapid excitement, who was fed by the state, and who directly or indirectly sold his vote to the highest bidder, then the end of the republic was at hand, and nothing could save it. The laws were the same as they had been, but the people behind the laws had changed, and so the laws counted for nothing.” - Teddy Roosevelt


38 posted on 06/30/2008 9:54:19 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: wideawake
I have no problem with people who think our trade deficit is detrimental. I have a problem with people who think addressing our trade deficit will work towards our budget crisis.

I just bought a twelve-pack of Foster's. I added to our trade deficit. I didn't do squat with regard to our budget deficit.

39 posted on 06/30/2008 10:00:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: wideawake; 1rudeboy; Mase
Really? So it is impossible for a country with a positive trade imbalance to borrow money?

Ask Japan. They've had huge trade surpluses since forever. Here's the last 20 years or so. Their government debt is about 150% of GDP, according to this.

If our level of 66% means we're doomed, I guess Japan died about 5 years ago.

40 posted on 06/30/2008 10:06:02 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers, union members and liberals so bad at math?)
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