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Alleged killer of S.F. father and 2 sons ordered held without bail (MS-13 gang member)
SFGate.com ^ | 6/27/08 | Jaxon Van Derbeken

Posted on 06/27/2008 8:38:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO -- The man charged with murdering a San Francisco father and two sons during a traffic incident appeared in court today and listened quietly as he was ordered held without bail.

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He appeared shackled at the waist in a jail jumpsuit, a large tattoo of the Salvadoran national crest visible on the back of his closely shaved head. ...

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The three murder counts carry special circumstances of multiple murder and murder as part of a street gang, which both carry the potential of life imprisonment without parole or the death penalty.

Police say Ramos is a member of the Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) gang, but authorities have not said how the killings were gang motivated.

District Attorney Kamala Harris has previously said she would never seek the death penalty, and has not done so since taking office in 2004. Tony Bologna's widow, Danielle Bologna, has urged her to seek capital punishment in this case.

Harris, who was not in court Friday, has set up a process in which prosecutors meet to determine whether to seek the death penalty. Typically, prosecutors take several months before declaring that they will not seek capital punishment.

The district attorney established that system after being criticized for taking just days after an arrest in the 2004 slaying of police Officer Isaac Espinoza to rule out the death penalty for the suspect. David Hill was eventually convicted of murdering Espinoza and sentenced to life without parole.

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Ramos' immigration status has become a side issue in the case. O'Sullivan says Ramos is in the country legally and has applied for permanent residence here. But Virginia Kice, spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said Friday that the agency believes he is an illegal immigrant and has put an immigration hold on him.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; alleged; california; crimaliens; criminalaliens; gangs; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; kamalaharris; killer; ms13; sanfrancisco
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To: machogirl

If anyone deserves capital punishment—this creep does. Do make sure his cellmate has HIV-AIDS.


21 posted on 06/27/2008 9:11:57 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: IIntense

January 17, 2006
Clarence Ray Allen is executed by the State of California.


22 posted on 06/27/2008 9:12:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: NormsRevenge
He said Ramos is "quiet, unassuming, pensive. ... He's overwhelmed."

Ohhhh! Since you put it THAT way... let the poor guy go...

23 posted on 06/27/2008 9:15:51 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: doc1019
Unfortunately, the DA that will oversee this case doesn’t believe in the death penalty. Not that that matters, the death penalty is a joke in CA.

You got that right! He'll be an old man by the time they get around to giving him the needle.
24 posted on 06/27/2008 9:16:38 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: NormsRevenge
He said Ramos is "quiet, unassuming, pensive. ... He's overwhelmed."

Ohhhh! Since you put it THAT way... let the poor guy go...


Free Ramos! Sure... a dad and two sons were brutally slaughtered, but no matter, Ramos was misunderstood... /s

25 posted on 06/27/2008 9:18:12 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: John123

looks like a picture at “baby ramos” baby shower?

so he’s spawned a jr.?


26 posted on 06/27/2008 9:19:14 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: IIntense

Considering that CA has 669 inmates on death row.


27 posted on 06/27/2008 9:20:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: MileHi
Good. I'm sure glad ICE is on this. This guy could have done something bad...

It gets better. The guy had previously been in police custody.

A suspected gang member accused of killing a father and two sons escaped prosecution in a weapons case earlier this year when the San Francisco district attorney's office concluded it didn't have enough evidence to connect him to a gun that a passenger in his car was carrying, authorities said Thursday.

28 posted on 06/27/2008 9:21:26 PM PDT by G-Bob
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To: machogirl
so he’s spawned a jr.?

Dude's got a heart... just for his family... everybody else dies...

29 posted on 06/27/2008 9:22:31 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: John123

he’ll get to see his kid, his victim(s) won’t


30 posted on 06/27/2008 9:23:57 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: NormsRevenge

any word if he had a “job”?


31 posted on 06/27/2008 9:27:44 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: IIntense
IIntense,

I think California has had about 12 executions in the last 30 years.

Incredibly, Gray Davis, the recalled liberal Democratic governor, signed most of the death warrants.

32 posted on 06/27/2008 9:28:15 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: machogirl

Not sure on his line of work.. here’s a couple earlier threads, also

Triple-killing suspect escaped prior S.F. prosecution (MS-13 gang member / “soccer team member”)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037303/posts

CA: Gang member arrested in killing of dad, 2 sons (MS-13, “nothing more than a soccer group”)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036876/posts

suspicion is that the father and sons were mistaken for gang members ,, there had been some gang warfare a couple hours earlier in the area.

at the very bottom of this piece , it has more info..
Triple-killing suspect escaped prior S.F. prosecution
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/26/BAV711FM4F.DTL&tsp=1


33 posted on 06/27/2008 9:33:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: G-Bob
G-Bob,

A few months back, didn't Mayor Newsom publicly declare that SF is a “Sanctuary City?”

That should make a nice lapel pin for his next election campaign.

34 posted on 06/27/2008 9:34:28 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: IIntense
Jan 07, as someone has posted to you.

And also Dec 2005, Tookie Williams

Lots of Threads on him on FR.

I was there when they shot him up, as was Jesse Jackson and his Black Muslim bodyguards.

Well actually, they left before the execution. Right after Joan Baez sang...What a circus that was!

35 posted on 06/27/2008 9:35:32 PM PDT by Syncro (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can we send the bill for his lifetime meds, dental and dining to the country of origin?


36 posted on 06/27/2008 10:08:22 PM PDT by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)
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To: machogirl

And the best news—junior, if born in the US, is now a citizen. Isn’t it grand?


37 posted on 06/27/2008 10:49:50 PM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: NormsRevenge

professional soccer guy, ah, now he can play for his prison team

his nickname was escobar, as in paublo?


38 posted on 06/27/2008 11:00:22 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: ComeUpHigher

apparently junior is already born, or he’s already got another kid, read on the other thread that his woman said he’s a great daddy


39 posted on 06/27/2008 11:02:07 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: NormsRevenge

His MS-13 tattoos should be scraped off with a razor blade.


40 posted on 06/27/2008 11:08:15 PM PDT by montag813
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