[DoughtyOne]

How about just starting from where we are now, instead of rehearsing the past?  That's the one thing that is terrible about this election IMO.  No matter who wins, we will not be starting from where we are now, in four years.  We will have to rehash the past no matter what at that point.  With Obama we may or may not have to rehash more.  If we can get Congress back, he may actually wind up not being able to pass as much leftist policy as McCain will overall.  If the Senate Republican minority can stay 41 members or better, and show some backbone, that could also block some of the worst stuff Obama would like to pass.

Not to mention the fact that if the prisoners had been under the Geneva Conventions, we wouldn't have this problem now. So McCain's being in favor of it has not brought us to where we are now.  If these prisoners had held Geneva Convention status, there would have been a number of terrorist attacks.  I listened to a report the other day about terrorist attacks that were thwarted by information gained by terrorist detainees.  Under the Geneva Convention, troops don't have to provide any information at all.

In addition, closing Gitmo itself, the physical prison, would not change anything except get it out of the crosshairs of the rest of the world. Same rules would apply.  It would get us out of the leftist cross-hairs around the world.  It would not get us out of any bonified upstanding citizen's crosshairs around the world, because they understood why Gitmo was a good idea.

You watch what takes place when Gitmo closes.  I don't think you'll like the outcome.

[firebrand]

I don’t think the guards at the federal prisons will like it either, as they get attacked daily by feral loons. But we can do it. We’ve done harder things. Besides, maybe we can let them give citizenship classes now.

[death2tyrants]

” he (Obama) may actually wind up not being able to pass as much leftist policy as McCain will overall.”

Since only two candidates have a chance of winning, do you want Obama to win, or do you want McCain to win? Also, since Obama has voted against funding for the troops mulitple times, what would prevent Obama from vetoing any additional funding for troops serving in Iraq, wich would force our defeat and hand Iraq to al-qaeda and Iran?