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Halbrook, an attorney and research fellow at The Independent Institute, Oakland, Calif., is author of "The Founders' Second Amendment: Origins of the Right to Bear Arms."
1 posted on 06/03/2008 12:07:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Thanks! Bookmarked.


2 posted on 06/03/2008 12:08:38 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: neverdem

Not bad, but I don’t know about this “carried in a coat” business. Certain very wealthy individuals owned their own cannon at the time of the Revolution. Nor were they carried in coats!!


3 posted on 06/03/2008 12:11:06 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: neverdem
Added to all that - when the laws were written - the ‘militias’ were quickly formed from citizens with their own arms....a right that helps secure take over through control of arms by some entity that plans on controlling the citizenry...easily done if arms are owned/controlled by gov’t at any level.

Pray hard this decision gets made soon = and made right.

4 posted on 06/03/2008 12:15:12 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: neverdem
"Arms" were defined as "weapons of offense, or armor for defense and protection of the body."

Interesting, if this interpretation is correct the second amendment not only guarantees the right to own firearms but knives, swords, crossbows, bulletproof vests and just about any other handheld weapon or body armor you could think of. I know some cities and states have banned knives over a certain length and bulletproof vests. If the upcoming supreme court decision goes our way it might have much farther reaching ramifications than firearms.

6 posted on 06/03/2008 12:29:08 PM PDT by apillar
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PING!


7 posted on 06/03/2008 12:34:02 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: neverdem

bookmarkarooskie

yes, that’s a word...and if you looked i your cop of Noah’s dictionary...ok...it became a word a bit after his time.

Seriously though, the Noah Webster dictionary is a fabulous read!

Great post. Thank you neverdem!


8 posted on 06/03/2008 12:35:51 PM PDT by woollyone (100 rounds per week totals 5000 rounds in a year. Just thought you'd want to know.)
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To: neverdem
Individuals have a right to have arms in their houses and to carry them for protection, and the government may not violate that right.

Not for much longer they don't. If anyone thinks this decision will come down on the side of the citizenry and not the gov't apparatchiks, they're smoking crack.

Even if the SCOTUS overturns the law in DC, the other large cities that effectively prohibit gun ownership, like Chicago, will never rescind their draconian laws. It's over, man.

9 posted on 06/03/2008 12:40:01 PM PDT by liberty_lvr
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To: neverdem

I hate to say this because I believe all Americans should be allowed to keep and bear arms.... But even using an older Websters, there is still enough grey area in the second to suggest that you must be a member of a well regulated militia in order to have the right. On the other hand you could argue that a well regulated militia could be formed from the armed citizenry. The problem is the vague and pointless militia comment which was inserted. The constitution is imperfect because it was based on linguistic compromise, which deprived us of the clairity which should have been there. I’m pretty sure that the Democrats did it... @ssmunches.. LOL


10 posted on 06/03/2008 12:40:55 PM PDT by DCBurgess58 (McCain 08! HE SUCKS LESS!)
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To: neverdem

Seems to me that “to bear arms in a coat” would mean “to have a coat of arms.”

I have HEARD that “regulated” meant “equipped,” and thus, the keeping and bearing of arms by the members of the militia (adult men) would result in their being well-equipped at those times when they formed themselves into a militia.

I also think that the first clause is irrelevant. The amendment says “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

That is the imperative in the amendment. It is permanent. It is what the people legislated through their representatives. It was put there so that the people could resist the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to protect the freedom of their states. That is a permanent need and right of the people.


13 posted on 06/03/2008 1:03:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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“Thus the words “keep and bear arms” suggest a right to hand-held arms as a person could “bear,” such as muskets, pistols and swords, but not cannon and heavy ordnance that a person could not carry. “

Nope, this would be useless were I granted a letter of Marque and Reprisal.

Fedgov determined in 1934 that I didn't have the unfettered right to own a machinegun, cannon, bomb, or other Article of War. Before that, we all had the right. We still do, but fedgov won't let us exercise it.

14 posted on 06/03/2008 1:19:11 PM PDT by DBrow
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I think this interpretation of “keep and bear arms” pertaining only to arms that could be carried by an individual must be disputed. The Constitution also authorizes the Congress to issue letters of marque and reprisal, which authorize privately-owned warships to act as military resources of the U.S. government. A warship is hardly something that an individual could carry. Also, most of the cannons used by the Continental Army during the revolution were privately owned and borrowed for the conflict. So the idea that only arms able to be carried by an individual would be covered by the 2nd Amendment seems to be contradicted by history and other portions of the Constitution.


16 posted on 06/03/2008 1:26:03 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: neverdem

Well reasoned.

jw


17 posted on 06/03/2008 1:30:29 PM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: neverdem
An excellent article.

All one really needs to do though, is remember why the Bill of Right was amended to the Constitution to begin with. The original drafts were rejected by various state delegates because the body of the Constitution did not clearly and unequivocally enumerate and protect the individual rights of the citizens. For ten years, delegates of the various colonies rejected the whole thing until these protections were finally embodied in the Bill of Rights.

Even the name "Bill of Rights" tells you they were referring to individual rights. Why bother to name it that if they were only protecting government rights? Nor did they call it the "Bill of Some Rights", that might indicate that not all the rights therein were reserved to "The People" rather than the government.

If our Supreme Court Jesters can't remember that much, then no argument and elucidation by Webster will help. The Second Amendment - Commentaries

18 posted on 06/03/2008 1:34:57 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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21 posted on 06/03/2008 1:51:55 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
"Arms" were defined as "weapons of offense,..."

Does that mean my PDW (personal defense weapon) isn't covered?

25 posted on 06/03/2008 3:05:38 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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What about "Regulated"? I would like to hear all the then used definitions of that word to complete the analysis.... I understand a definition of "regulated" was as in a double barreled (side by side) rifle being adjusted so that both barrels hit at point of aim. That would be an interesting definition to be used for the "well regulated militia" part....
26 posted on 06/03/2008 3:11:39 PM PDT by logic (All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing...)
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To: neverdem

BM`d


27 posted on 06/03/2008 3:32:12 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: neverdem

Another Great Thread on our Nation’s greatest Heirloom!


28 posted on 06/03/2008 5:38:58 PM PDT by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: neverdem

free State has always meant to me, not the condition of a body politic, but the nature of man being FREE... and not enslaved... read that way would mean that an armed man is a free man...

security of a free State...

an individual right and reward... lose the right and one loses his freedom...

teeman


32 posted on 06/03/2008 7:58:34 PM PDT by teeman8r
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36 posted on 06/04/2008 6:01:20 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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