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Fears grow that Obama can't win: White working class Democrats will defect to McCain
The Guardian ^ | June 1, 2008 | Paul Harris

Posted on 05/31/2008 10:21:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

With senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party's nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case - even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

Obama supporters reject this argument and point to his record of boosting Democratic voter turnout, especially among the young. But sceptics in the party, already nervous about nominating Obama after the furore over outspoken pastor Jeremiah Wright, are growing increasingly concerned. 'There is an element of buyer's remorse in some areas. The question is whether it gets really strong now or in September - or even after the election is over, if he loses,' said Steve Mitchell, head of political consultancy Mitchell Research.

Another boost to Clinton's case came late last week after a pro-Obama preacher gave a race-tinged rant against her at Obama's church in Chicago. In a recent sermon Michael Pfleger - a long-term Obama backer who is white - mocked Clinton as an entitled white person angry at a black man having beaten her. His angry, red-faced speech, in which he mimicked Clinton weeping, was played repeatedly across American cable channels and the internet.

The news sent shock waves through Democratic circles; many had hoped Obama had put 'pastor problems' behind him. 'It is more of the same problem as Wright. It reinforces the image among some voters that Obama does not share their values,' said Mitchell.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; blackvote; bluecollarvote; crossovervote; democrats; election; elections; hillary; mccain; obama; operationchaos; pfleger; whitevote
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To: supremedoctrine
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/soren_dayton/2008/may/31/democrat_im_voting_for_john_mccain_are_you_kidding_me

Quote to the press, from a Dem about Obama at todays DNC meeting:

“When you tell me that much bad news about someone, I start to panic. Suddenly it's no longer about being a Democrat. It's about being an American. It's about preserving the United States of America.”

41 posted on 05/31/2008 10:53:20 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; dixiechick2000; LucyT; ...

Gee, an uppity Marxist-Muslim America-hating baby-killer whose pals praise Charles Manson, kill cops, damn America and accuse our government of inventing AIDS to kill black people.

Oh, and who's a millionaire in a fixer's mansion slammin' all us typical white people as mean-spirited, bitter an' clingin' to God and guns--man, what's not to like!

42 posted on 05/31/2008 10:54:24 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee, you think? Come out of the dark ages demos. What was I thinking. The people were smarter back then, then the demos are today.


43 posted on 05/31/2008 10:54:29 PM PDT by taxesareforever (We'll never forget Matt Maupin and his service to our country.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Hopefully New York and Pennsylvania will go to McCain.

I think that Hillary's people are very strong in these states, and they will switch over for McCain if Obama boots her out of the scene.

My theory also extends to Ohio and Michigan.

44 posted on 05/31/2008 10:57:45 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: ConservaTexan
“If the superdelegates switched back to Hillary, cities all across this nation would burn.”

Primitive people riot over political issues like elections.

45 posted on 05/31/2008 11:00:10 PM PDT by JSteff (This election is about the 3 to 5 supremes who will retire in the next 8 years, vote accordingly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So...What’s the problem?

Seriously, I think Obama will lose to McCain.

But if they throw him to the back of the bus, Hillary will also lose, cause she can’t win without strong black support in certain states: Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.


46 posted on 05/31/2008 11:04:20 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain-Pawlenty '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Obama supporters reject this argument and point to his record of boosting Democratic voter turnout, especially among the young dead."
47 posted on 05/31/2008 11:05:40 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW. PAY LESS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I disagreed with Rush who wanted Hillary to get the nod. To me, Obama was the weakling.


48 posted on 05/31/2008 11:06:21 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: skimask
When he looses in the GE cities across the nation will burn.

That would make a heck of a bumper sticker.

Vote Obama - OR ELSE, WHITEY!!!!
49 posted on 05/31/2008 11:07:13 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW. PAY LESS!)
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To: miliantnutcase

I hope your wifes family live in Wisconsin or Ohio. someplace where it could make a difference.


50 posted on 05/31/2008 11:07:32 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain-Pawlenty '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reaping what you sow? What a novel concept. Has anyone contacted the MSM?


51 posted on 05/31/2008 11:07:45 PM PDT by mort56
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To: Prole

Obama likes to brag in speeches about how brave he was to go up to Michigan and tell the auto industry that they would have to raise fuel mileage standards, raising costs and costing Michigan jobs.

What he doesn’t mention, of course, was that he gave that brave speech after he’d seen the polling indicating he was going to lose Michigan to Clinton and pulled his name off the ballot.

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, Michigan wouldn’t just a tossup, it would lean toward McCain. As much as the Levin/Conyers mafia is in the bag for Obama, the UAW foot soldiers aren’t going to lay their bodies on the line for him, after he’s already told them to go relieve themselves up a rope.


52 posted on 05/31/2008 11:10:35 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Prole

Then why do they keep voting for him? When the Wright scandal hit the mainstream I expected Obama’s stocks to go way down but it just didn’t happen. What more do people need to see him for what he really is?


53 posted on 05/31/2008 11:13:34 PM PDT by Nipfan
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To: pissant

Nice to have a hobby, especially a productive one. ;-)


54 posted on 05/31/2008 11:15:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They're stuck with him. If the superdelegates switched back to Hillary, cities all across this nation would burn.

Probably no more than 3 or 4 and those 3 or 4 are just third world corrupt cesspools inhabited by and controlled by perpetual leeches anyway.

55 posted on 05/31/2008 11:22:26 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: BunnySlippers

Rush didn’t want Hillary to get the nod, he wanted to extend the in-fighting between Hillary and Obama for as long as possible, so that in the end regardless of who wins, the long bitter fight between the two will seriously weaken the Dems chances in the general election.


56 posted on 05/31/2008 11:23:07 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: PhilDragoo

#42 NICE ONE!|
The whole damn thing should be a poster/flyer. I’d put
them up all over town.


57 posted on 05/31/2008 11:24:07 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn" --Delmore Schwartz)
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To: dr_lew

And that would still put BO in the WH.


58 posted on 05/31/2008 11:26:21 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m ready to put out my Baraq Hussein sign. But I’d like to see ReCreate ‘68 take it to the streets first.


59 posted on 05/31/2008 11:29:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: miliantnutcase

I hope they are not isolated cases.

Obama has several huge advantages over McCain: youth, charisma, money, media backing, rabid support. And of course McCain is hampered by the fact that many conservatives will not come out and vote for him.


60 posted on 05/31/2008 11:33:11 PM PDT by karnage
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