[Texas]Still No. 1; But that's not a good thing - it's in gunrunning

LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 05/25/2008 | JULIAN AGUILAR

[SwinneySwitch]

Build the fence!

[SwinneySwitch]

Gunrunner ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.

[M1D]

alcohol, tobacco and firearms should be a convince store.

[RKV]

“Unfortunately, when you go to a gun show, there are really not a whole lot of restrictions” That statement is demonstrably FALSE. Selling one or two guns person to person will never equip the Mexican gangsters. That is ALL you are allowed to do at gun shows. If you are in the trade of selling guns, you still must comply with numerous state and federal regulations (like background checks) when you sell a gun. This is just another in a long series of attempts to outlaw private person to person sales of firearms. And SCREW MEXICO. Maybe they NEED a revolution. In all, we still need to build and man the fence. Maybe they can actually control their side of the border. Would ya think? (which is what they do with Mexican military on their own southern border btw)

[rellimpank]

---"In Mexico, they already call it the ‘cop killer.' It's a very powerful little handgun--

--the equivalent of an anemic .22 Hornet--wonder if they hold them sideways to shoot or has that gone out of style?

[Sender]

Chances the "mata policias" or "cop killer," found its way into Mexico through the Southwest border are likely

LOL, as if that puny .22 handgun was some kind of miraculous cop killer. Hey narcotraficantes, I have one for you. It's called the "chupame pendejos" in .45 ACP.

[RKV]

Disband the BATFE. Top to bottom. We don’t need no revenuers here. The feds had a bunch of left over agents when prohibition ended and decided to keep them occupied destroying our 2nd Amendment rights. Get rid of them. Border Patrol is hiring, or should be.

[Cold Heart]

My understanding is the projectile from this round will pierce bullet resistant vests.

[Neidermeyer]

At least NAFTA is working to our advantage in one area!

[DemforBush]

“It’s a 5.7 (mm),” said Elias Bazan, the resident agent in charge of the Laredo field office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. “In Mexico, they already call it the ‘cop killer.’ It’s a very powerful little handgun. Here recently, that has been more a weapon of choice.”

I’m guessing he’s talking about the FN Five-Seven? I’m not an expert on firearms, but to my knowledge that’s the only pistol that uses that caliber.

[cryptical]

My understanding is the projectile from this round will pierce bullet resistant vests.

As will almost any rifle bullet.

[Farmer Dean]

Ihe 5.7 is a joke.Give me my .357 Mag.loaded with 146 gr.HP’s.That’s a dangerous weapon in close.

[trumandogz]

[Sudetenland]

Only one of the projectiles that can be fired from the FN five-seven can penetrate body armor and that one is restricted for sale only to military and police.

None of the commercially available projectiles can perform this feat...a feat which any high velocity handgun round can perform.

You don't hear all of this hullabaloo about the SIG .357, yet is too can perform this feat. So can the standard Smith & Wesson .357, as can any rifle bullet currently available on the market.

This is another gun grabber straw man intended to scare the American people into buying the drek they are selling.

It is time to shutdown the BATFE. Gordon Liddy was right, they are a bunch of "jack-booted thugs." They have to create a crime just to justify their existence.

[Sudetenland]

There is an H&K pistol that fires a very similar round. It has not gotten the press that the FN has.

Ever since the Brady Campaign came out against the FN Five-seven, I have had an insatiable desire to own one...something about those lilly livered liars just brings out the best in me:)...20 round magazine, 2000fps, >20oz., 100 yard effective range...a very nice little toy. Not a SIG .357 or a .45 ACP, but a nice toy gun...just for fun...and the annoyance of the gun grabbers.

[Sudetenland]

Hey stop complaining, at least we’re number 1 in something. Maybe if the police would put those Five-sevens to some good use at the border, we wouldn’t need a fence...a dead illegal alien wannabe will never be an illegal alien.

[VeniVidiVici]

Ever since the Brady Campaign came out against the FN Five-seven, I have had an insatiable desire to own one...something about those lilly livered liars just brings out the best in me:)...20 round magazine, 2000fps, >20oz., 100 yard effective range...a very nice little toy. Not a SIG .357 or a .45 ACP, but a nice toy gun...just for fun...and the annoyance of the gun grabbers.

When they were hot to trot about the S&W 500 it forced me to go out and buy several in a variety of barrel sizes. I'm happier for it :)

Went to a gun show last weekend in Orlando. First time I saw the ATF there with a table. No, there was nobody there talking to them.

[Sender]

The original, military-only, full metal jacketed round was a good penetrator, like the .22 magnum. The antigunners jumped on it and forced it into oblivion. None of the original military rounds are on the market today. Instead, there are soft deforming rounds that won't penetrate a vest. So unless the Mexican drug cartels have a source for the original military rounds, this little .22 is not that dangerous.

The whole 5.7 pistol idea has been blown way out of perspective. It's a little bullet at high speed, with little recoil, and the pistol can hold 20 of them. As far as the "cop killer" legend goes, that was defeated early on in the pistol's history, so it is little more than a trendy plastic pistol with an anemic .22 round today.

[Cold Heart]

Thanks for the info.

[Travis McGee]

No need to get exotic. A plain old inexpensive surplus Tokarev or CZ52 in 7.62X25 will go through kevlar like it's not there.