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To: PghBaldy
WOW. The point I see is how can one negotiate with a stronger, malevalent nation?Is negotiation better than what ultimately happened? Does anyone honestly believe that a man capable of the things Hitler did would have negotiated in good faith?
That's the whole point of Pat's article. That you can negotiate with your mortal enemies *as long as you know what your interests are*. His argument is not that Hitler's demands were reasonable, just that it was in Poland's best interest to accept them(compared to the alternative what happened). You may disagree with that assertion, but that's not even Pat's main point.

Pat is arguing that we *should* negotiate with Iran because, in his opinion, negotiating with the Chinese and the Soviets actually put the US in a stronger position of power. As an alternative he shows the Poles, who failed to negotiate against their own self interest and were annihilated.

66 posted on 05/21/2008 9:57:39 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu
His argument is not that Hitler's demands were reasonable

But Pat does seem to be making that argument. He states that the Danzig was unfairly taken in his opinion and that since it was 95 percent German maybe Poland should have been more open to negotiation. Given Hitler's adventures prior to that how could anyone believe he'd stop at Danzig? I personally believe and always have that his goal with taking Russia was as a steppingstone to North America, which was his real prize.

67 posted on 05/21/2008 10:07:57 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ketsu

I’m saying they would have been crushed anyway. The Poles were subhuman to him. He’s blaming the Poles is how I take it. Substitute US of Poles and Osama for Hitler, and see... oh wait a minute, Pat has also taken Osama’s side there too- we’re too decadent, are troops are in Saudi...


69 posted on 05/21/2008 10:14:51 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Michelle O's handlers: "Get me white people...!!!")
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To: ketsu
If we get to play counter history, then the actual problem was the failure of the French and British to take advantage of German pre-occupation in the east and invade Germany. Had they done so, Germany would have been liberated from the Nazis in 1940.

Sadly the British and French were led by incompetents politicians and generals in 1939-40, and their mobilization was sabotaged by the communists, who were allied with the Nazis in 1940.

90 posted on 05/21/2008 11:56:44 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: ketsu
His argument is not that Hitler's demands were reasonable, just that it was in Poland's best interest to accept them(compared to the alternative what happened). You may disagree with that assertion, but that's not even Pat's main point

But it is the most ridiculous point.

If they had handed over the Free City of Danzig and the corridor, Hitler would have militarized it and used it as a front when they did invade Poland, which would have still been inevitable.

328 posted on 09/15/2013 10:56:49 PM PDT by GeronL
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