Posted on 05/17/2008 9:22:13 AM PDT by Kevin J waldroup
The “food versus fuel” debate being waged in the United States has been nothing more than a cleverly planned public relations campaign. A request for a public relations proposal put forth by the Grocery Manufacturers Association and the media campaign response by the Glover Park Group prove that there has been a concerted effort to attack the ethanol industry. Both documents were recently made public by long-time ethanol advocate, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.
The GMA represents more than 300 food, beverage and consumer household goods companies in the United States. The association released a request for a public relations campaign to combat the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. The request states: “GMA has concluded that rising food prices, global shortages of basic commodities, and new studies on the environmental impacts of corn ethanol create a window to change perceptions about the benefits of bio-fuels and the mandate and, ultimately, to build a groundswell in support of freezing or reversing some provisions of the 2007 Energy Bill…”
The response to the GMA’s request by the Glover Park Group lays out a strategy to undermine the ethanol industry: “First, we must obliterate whatever intellectual justification might still exist for corn-based ethanol among policy elites.”
(Excerpt) Read more at ethanolproducer.com ...
Actually you didn't.
It should have been 70%x.85+100%x.15
See below for your calc. I wonder if those who are paying for E85 realize they aren’t saving any money? If I remember correctly, ethanol is only 70% as efficient as gasoline. Which means a pretty good drop in mileage. Break even works out to $2.51/gal. (I took 70% of the price of gasoline to arrive at my figure.)
This thread is over a year old, give it a rest, will you?
I’m being kind at this point and will restrain from pointing out the fallacy of what you’ve just written.
Corn based fuel is a bad, loser, stupid idea ... I’m glad the issue is already dead.
Reduction in greenhouse gases, which isn't a problem, isn't true unless you neglect the agricultural part producing ethanol.
Reduction is dependence on petroleum isn't true either. We consume more energy growing, fermenting and distilling ethanol than we get out of burning it. This actually makes us more dependent on petroleum not less....
I read up on it. Apparently Butanol can be used as a one for one replacement for gasoline without problems and is nearly equal to gasoline in energy and can be produced from biomass or “fossil” fuels. My first and most obvious inference is that we should be making butanol from coal and or from KUDZU. KUDZU is the only known indestructible plant that will grow anywhere it is actively DIScouraged. Trying to kill KUDZU only results in more and stronger KUDZU so why not make it into fuel which will not require us to alter a vehicle in any way.
I only know what I read but it sounds good to me ;>)
My goodness, old posts actually do get read. Thanks. Regarding KUDZU, this is a fascinating and much neglected plant. In Japan they extract Kudzu starch from the very large roots, use it like arrowroot for thickening agent, but it is more nutritious, good for babies and convalescents. There are long fibers that can be used for cloth, rope, etc. After extracting the useful parts, there is a lot of waste that can be used for ethanol production or directly burned in power plants. I really hope they are making progress on cellulosic ethanol from waste like switch grass, straw, sawmill scraps, orange peels, etc. Also progress on biodiesel from algae. Several years back a lot of money was put out on experimental projects in these areas. Haven’t heard anything recently about outcomes.
Ethanol is one of the worst scams ever to be foisted on the American public.
That is a little strong don’t ya think? Obamacare,SS,Medicare,Medicaid to name a few.
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