Posted on 05/17/2008 2:03:48 AM PDT by MartinaMisc
It was fun while it lasted.
The guaranteed election of a non-conservative President on November 4th represents the end of the conservative movement in America. Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain stands for Reagan principles in any way, shape, manner or form—and after twenty years of non-conservative Presidents, it’s obvious that the Reagan era will never, ever return.
The conservative movement has been in the hospital for nearly two decades. Once George H. W. Bush—a good, moral man, but not a true conservative—entered the White House, conservative principles slowly but surely began to leave. Yes, he gave us a victory in the Gulf War and Clarence Thomas, but he also gave us a broken no-new-taxes promise and David Souter. Bush was more Rockefeller than Goldwater, during a time when America and the world needed more of the latter and less of the former.
Bill Clinton replaced Bush in 1993 and, during his eight years in office, stole certain conservative concepts (NAFTA, welfare reform) and destroyed others (judicial restraint, the rule of law). Clinton moved the country in a secular direction, helping to make the 1990s as culturally loose as the 1980s were culturally traditional. Clinton also seemed obsessed with, among other things, promoting the notion that the Reagan era was a fluke, and that (despite his famous 1996 claim) big government was a permanent reality.
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Megadittos, my FRiend.
Well now that we have dealt with that little fantasy, perhaps we can get back to issues we can agree on.
I have some questions for my so-called christian conservative so-called brethren.
1. What part of conservatism is $3T in new Federal debt after Clinton had pretty much brought government borrowing to a standstill?
2. What part of conservatism is hyperinflation to bail out the bank system?
3. What part of conservatism is privatization of genuinely governmental functions such as providing financial incentives to increase the number of our citizens we keep locked up in jails? What part of conservatism causes the US to have the highest rate of imprisonment in the world [now that the Gulags have been emptied and apardheid ended in South Africa]?
4. What part of conservatism is an out of control irrelevant Homeland Security department that thinks our national security relies upon adding about $200 per airline ticket to pay for the cost of hiring high school dropouts to frisk old ladies and 6 year old girls and put US Senators on no-fly lists?
5. What part of conservatism is expanding the anals of government regulation in every department of government, and through privatisation hiring armies of consultants who have an incentive to keep generating more and more regulations, because that is what they get paid for.
When you get done with these, I have about 2000 more questions like this, all the result of the most socially conservative president we have had in the last century, and the minions he has appointed to office.
You mean the republican branch of Christian evangelicals have decided who they get to brand as Christian and who they get to brand as conservative.
This HS is why were having the shootout of the OK coral.
Your kind of christianity - lower case "c." - as I said does not even have room for Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
And you have just put a bullet through the heart of the party that Ronald the Great built.
And some of my best friends are Hottentots.
You will be remembered in the anals of FR for having written one of the most ignorant and bigoted statements I have seen here. It reflects the heart and soul of everything that is wrong with American social conservative, and why your kind are among the most despised in American and laughed at around the world. There was simply no excuse for it. NONE.
BWA HAW HAW HAWWWWWWW !
I see folks are rushing in to defend your ignorant bigotry.
We didn’t do those things. The evil trickster GWB and his DC buddies did. Most of us conservative to the core folks live in red towns in red counties in red states. The problem is the NE and DC along with the Left coast. We can’t change those people. Maybe Texas and the South can secede ... form a truly constitutional republic and after we economically beat the lib states to death they will see the error of their ways.
First, you need to go relearn your history as you have not been in this country for 500 years.
Second, one of our big problems in the world (since you have not been paying attention) is another relgious group that has not evolved in 500 years. I would not choose to identify myself with that crowd. The Catholic Church has been around for approaching 2000 years, and the Pope is not that routed in the OLD WAYS.
You need to turn off your light beam and land back on planet earth. There are a few folks around here whose recent experience is otherwise.
Debt is apart of a healthy Capitalistic economy. It's largely irrelevant.
So you are saying the more we look like Argentina in the 1960's the better?
Bush was the most "truly Christian" President this country is going to see in a long long time. The cause of conservatism has not fared well.
So like a liberal. Seize on a phrase and turn it into a crusade. Its an obvious fact that Jews are mostly CINOs. Why do you think they vote lib at like 80% Have you been to Israel. 80% secular and they are nearly at war with each other over secular vs religious factions. Do you know about the thousands of orange kids (religious settlers) that were beaten and dragged out of Gaza a couple years ago by the secular left? Google Amona and watch vids of mercenary russian special forces trampling kids with horses.
To my mind all of Western Civilization is suffering from a lack of good religion. Politics will not fix this mess. Turn to God first and your politics will be all laid out before you. All the virtues, Prudence, Temperance, Courage, Long Suffering ... flow from religion. Take away religion and man goes right down the tubes.
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry, would break the strongest chords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” John Adams.
” Can the liberties of a nation be sure, when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God?” Thomas Jefferson
You know typoed 5 and changed it to 4 the very next post. You are a liar and a cheat.
Actually I am a retired military officer and most military officers I know have a problem with HS. It is irrelevant to national security, ill trained, ill disciplined and consumes enormous resources that could be better devoted to those who have a real role in defense, and intelligence collection.
The huge debt means that our country is becoming owned by foreigners. It means that we are paying for the arming of China. Debt is not irrelevant.
Inflation is at an all time low and Americans are richer than ever. Leftists would like you to believe that "prices are higher" while leaving out the fact that the overall quality of goods has increased exponentially.
You are just like "Baghdad Bob". Obviously prices of gasoline and food are increasing extraordinarily rapidly while the quality of neither is changing for the better.
With regard to food, while the richest Americans will always be able to find quality food, clearly the economic incentive on the part of food suppliers to the majority is to lower food quality by substituting cheaper ingredients, manufacturing in China, etc.
Plato taught these virtues and he had never heard of Christ. In fact, if you read St. John, after having carefully read his dialogues, you will discover how much Christian moral beliefs are grounded in pre-christian philosophy.
Second, the argument we are having is not about Christianity, per se, but Christianity as defined by the evangelical part of the Republican party, the guys who live in districts which believe that Christian morality dictates having state run liquor stores, with state bureaucrats deciding what wine the rest of us are allowed to purchase, if any.
Other than winning the cold war, and rolling back taxes (and pushing free trade, f—k you populists/socialists!), Reagan did NOTHING to stem the tide of liberalism in this country? Where was the abolition of the departments of energy and education? What about the ax to government spending? What about the cleaning out of the trash in the State Department?
Thanks. I am tired of beating that horse. You would think it would have had the decency to die on us, but it keeps getting up and trying to hobble to the starting gate.
“When you attach labels such as treason and unpatriotic to those Americans who choose not to be conservative you immediately create a severe division.”
Answer this then, and don’t run away from it like a scared little liberal: What should I call someone who is treasonous and unpatriotic?
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