Posted on 05/16/2008 1:04:28 PM PDT by JRochelle
WE elected them!
I know the exodus is frantic but will the last sane human being to leave California please turn off the lights? Thank you.
Stark is not only a hateful jack@ss but he doesn’t know any Mormons. The people who are HURT by polygamy ARE the Mormons because of the misguided idea that it has something to do with them (thanks HBO and NBC!!).
Stark is an atheist just like the large part of the CA Congressional delegation and a clear majority of the CA Dem Party elected crowd. They hate Christians for their belief in values because it is in contrast to the atheist belief in NO VALUES. But they somehow interpret opposition to their views as being evil instead of just wrong. Which tells you a whole lot about the rationality of their arguments.
But if your mothers-in-law are still in their twenties......
Hefner: That's what I told Warren! Drop the underage girls and move his group to California! But did he listen to me? No. Instead, he keeps the underage girls and moves them to Texas. Now look at where he's at... Utah State Prison for life.
How did I know that many would come on this thread and criticize the Mormons and NOT that idiot Stark?
There are mormon polygamist groups, like the FLDS in Texas.
There have been 2 gay Mormons on the show Survivor. One of them even won!
And the last one was a FLAMING homosexual Mormon.
This guy is sick.
He’s a 24 Kt. A-hole. imo
Yes, liberals are so tolerant of those with different religious beliefs.
I take he was an ex-Mormon? As in excommunicated. Practicing homosexuals get the boot.
Congressman Pete Stark of California, a new super-delegate for Barack Obama... "I was quite proud of our state supreme court. We're going to have a big fight, because you know, the born-again Christians and their right wing loonies are going to put this thing on the ballot, which you can do easily in California through petitions... a tough fight. It'll be nasty. I find the homophobes become very unpleasant people... It would be a sad day for California to start to trash people's constitutional rights. Somebody said earlier this morning that I -- my colleagues, I don't -- put their hands on the Bible to support the Constitution, but I've never seen them putting their hands on the Constitution to support the Bible... I wonder what they're going to do with the Mormons. I'd like to put polygamy up if they want to fight this battle. Let's go into Utah and have it out. I mean, I don't have any quarrel with polygamy, as long as they leave little kids alone, which is child abuse... I think it's kind of humorous you're going to find the Mormons leading the fight against gay marriage, which is an interesting commentary on what you believe."Wow, Pete Stark sure is a sphincter!
Ok...
THESE verses are PROBABLY INcorrectly translated...
Genesis 13:13 Now
the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed,
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Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.
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Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....
TRUTH is unpleasant; isn't it!
Mob Rule is not a paradox in need of resolution. Run from mob rule as fast as your feet can carry you. Is there anything in the California Constitution, or the US Constitution for that matter, that bans gay marriage? If not, there lies your paradox. The Court ruling was right. The voter imposed ban was/is un-Constitutional. You/we may not like that, but that doesn't change a thing. Make the move for a Constitutional Amendment, otherwise, you're wasting your breath. Blackbird.
Thanks in advance. Point me to the clause in California's Constitution (or any other Constitution) that bans Gay Marriage. Unless it's there, this ruling was correct. BTW, "judicial dictators wish to redefine the meaning of the constitution", means what exactly? What is being "redefined" in California's Constitution? Mob rule does not replace Constitutional Governance. Blackbird.
You missed the point of my post. The CA supreme court ruled that one form of deviant behavior is covered by federal equal protection, while others are not. The problem as I see it is that the court is saying a certain class of people have a right that others do not have. The exact opposite of what people think the federal equal protection laws cover. The court is saying that gays have the right to marry as do all others, yet hookers do not have the right to earn a living as do all others. I wholly disagree with your assertion of mob rule. You seem to be suggesting that in place of elections we should have a handful of elites make decisions for us.
"Is there anything in the California Constitution, or the US Constitution for that matter, that bans gay marriage? If not, there lies your paradox." No there is most definitely NOT anything in either document that bans gay marriage. Anything not specifically provided for in the constitution is left to the states to decide. This sentence actually works against your argument, not for it.
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