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BTW, your list has people on it who fought and spoke for liberty and then went home and oversaw their slaves. While their words were impressive and inspiring, I am not always impressed by their practices. Be careful not to let people's word's cover up their behavior.

I know it's a common debate technique here to quote the founders and others, but lets look at what they did.

Isn't it ironic that you cite their words and I use the same words to prove you are wrong?

In England a hundred years ago they put homosexuals in jail. I guess you really want to return to the good old days of the great men.

BTW, your list has people on it who fought and spoke for liberty and then went home and oversaw their slaves.

And you speak for liberty while defending a ruling which strips us of our right to self-government, one of the most important aspects of liberty.

I know it's a common debate technique here to quote the founders and others, but lets look at what they did.

If the founders were so evil then maybe we should toss aside that concept of the pursuit of happiness. After all, they wrote it and you invoked it.

Isn't it ironic that you cite their words and I use the same words to prove you are wrong?

It would be ironic if that's what happened. But it isn't what happened.

In England a hundred years ago they put homosexuals in jail. I guess you really want to return to the good old days of the great men.

Well, we've come full circle now. You can be punished in England today for saying negative things about homosexuality in public. You should be pleased:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486452&in_page_id=1770&ct=5