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To: purpleraine
BTW, your list has people on it who fought and spoke for liberty and then went home and oversaw their slaves.

And you speak for liberty while defending a ruling which strips us of our right to self-government, one of the most important aspects of liberty.

I know it's a common debate technique here to quote the founders and others, but lets look at what they did.

If the founders were so evil then maybe we should toss aside that concept of the pursuit of happiness. After all, they wrote it and you invoked it.

Isn't it ironic that you cite their words and I use the same words to prove you are wrong?

It would be ironic if that's what happened. But it isn't what happened.

In England a hundred years ago they put homosexuals in jail. I guess you really want to return to the good old days of the great men.

Well, we've come full circle now. You can be punished in England today for saying negative things about homosexuality in public. You should be pleased:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486452&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

580 posted on 05/17/2008 11:22:38 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu
I'm getting tired on this issue for now.

Here's what I believe:

1. People have the right to pursuit of happiness. That includes choosing the adult they would marry. I do not think the government has a legitimate role in restricting polygamy unless the populations severely drops because of it. You can't marry animals or inanimate objects because they cannot give consent or engage in contracts.

I don't know enough about the harmful effects of incest upon children to judge whether or not it should be outlawed. Relatives that have sex with each other will do so whether or not they can marry. It may be necessary to reduce the harmful impact. The news I saw was that incest is not a very widespread occurrence.

Gays marrying may lead to less promiscuity and better health in the population. If gays want to marry and pledge to each other, I think that's a positive thing.

People who think that this is the end of civilization as we know it either are extremely paranoid or don't remember the other significant "end of the world" predictions when other freedoms were recognized; women voting, end of slavery and so on.

Our country is much more moral today than any I have read about. We abolished slavery, recognized women equal rights, helped defend freedom around the world for over 90 years, and we provide food, and other aide all over the world. So, it will not bother me one twit or harm my marriage in any way if two guys decide to be married.

I will not sign the petition in Cal and I will not vote to restrict someone's freedom in their pursuit of happiness. If ytou chose to do that, let it be on your conscience.

Out, in pursuit of my own happiness here at the beach.

585 posted on 05/17/2008 12:03:41 PM PDT by purpleraine
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