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To: purpleraine

“I don’t see how we can vote to restrict the freedoms of others.”

Your remark reflects a common misconception:

“Same—sex marriage will secure new liberties for homosexuals.”

This has not happened because no personal liberty was being denied them. Gay couples can already do everything married people do—express love, set up housekeeping, share home ownership, have sex, raise children, commingle property, receive inheritance, and spend the rest of their lives together. It’s not criminal to do any of these things.

Homosexuals can even have a wedding. It’s done all the time.

Gay marriage grants no new freedom, and denying marriage licenses to homosexuals does not restrict any liberty. Nothing stops anyone—of any age, race, gender, class, or sexual preference—from making lifelong loving commitments to each other, pledging their troth until death do them part. They may lack certain entitlements, but not freedoms.

Denying marriage doesn’t restrict anyone. It merely withholds social approval from a lifestyle and set of behaviors that homosexuals have complete freedom to pursue without it. A marriage license doesn’t give liberty; it gives respect.

That is precisely what the homosexual activists long for - societal and governmental recognition/approval of gay relationships granted them by a marriage license.

What’s kind of funny is that heterosexuals have been living together for years enjoying every liberty of matrimony without the “piece of paper.” Suddenly that meaningless piece of paper means everything to homosexuals. Why? Not because it confers liberty, but because it confers legitimacy.

Same-sex marriage is not about civil rights. It’s about validation and social respect. It is a radical attempt at civil engineering using government muscle to strong-arm the people into accommodating a lifestyle many find deeply offensive, contrary to nature, socially destructive, and morally repugnant.

You’ve probably heard of columnist Jeff Jacoby of the “Boston Globe”. Here’s what he said in one of his articles concerning this (about a year ago):

“The marriage radicals…have not been deprived of the right to marry—only of the right to insist that a single-sex union is a “marriage.” They cloak their demands in the language of civil rights because it sounds so much better than the truth: They don’t want to accept or reject marriage on the same terms that it is available to everyone else. They want it on entirely new terms. They want it to be given a meaning it has never before had, and they prefer that it be done undemocratically—by judicial fiat, for example, or by mayors flouting the law. Whatever else that may be, it isn’t civil rights.”

That’s exactly what the Supreme Court of CA did yesterday - they legislated from the bench and swept aside the will of the voters of California - forcing everyone to “accept” the court’s definition of marriage on the rest of us.

Homosexuality is broadly tolerated in this country. Gays are allowed to pursue their “lifestyles” without reprisal, even to the point of forming committed, monogamous unions. They may not be universally respected or admired, but they have the liberty to live as they choose. This is all they have the right to demand.


552 posted on 05/16/2008 5:07:12 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan
Not new liberties. Extending the liberty that some have to more people. Enforcing the right to pursuit of happiness.

I didn't read past your second paragraph. I just rest my case.

554 posted on 05/16/2008 5:17:32 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Nevadan
I agree you at what they struggle for are not right but respect. But the way of California Supreme Court to show respect hurt public's feeling also damage the cultural definition of marriage and family.
What's next? Polygamy? What about somebody marriage with doggy or a mailbox? I didn't know whether the homosexual family has a full right in adoption. If so, who should be the one to make the choice that the little boy and girl should live in a family with two fathers or mothers.
I respect homosexual marriage, but it's huge difference between personal respect and official admission. Marriage and family are the foundational essential for society, you can't imagine what would happen if they are cracked.

Unfortunately similar things just happened in our country,
A well-known sexology scholar among Chinese gay community, has tried to legalize same-sex marriage during the National People's Congress in 2000, 2004 and 2008 (Legalization for the Chinese Same-Sex Marriage in 2000 and Chinese Same-Sex Marriage Bill in 2004 and 2008)

Thank God, her effort failed due to her not being able to get enough supports from the delegates. Some media even used this to show the openness of China. Speechless.
But I have a question about your post, is that right to separate respect from human right they deserved? Maybe we should give respect but in another way.
612 posted on 05/20/2008 12:30:35 AM PDT by laberphany
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