"It's all over, people! We don't have a prayer!"
Posted on 05/15/2008 10:02:52 AM PDT by NinoFan
Opinion just released.
If two people believe abortion is wrong, then they share a similar belief. Don’t you think? It doesn’t make them the same person or mean they express their beliefs the same way, but they still share similar beliefs. What’s the problem?
The handle is a bit tongue-in-cheek.
"It's all over, people! We don't have a prayer!"
I think we can be fairly certain the conservative Muslims are just as outraged as Freepers.
That's true and good. More people living in free and democratic societies is obviously a moral good. I don't see how it follows, though, that the world is much more moral. Political freedom does not ipso facto give rise to moral behavior.
What I see here is that we said that we believe in freedom, but some of us don't want others to have the freedom to commit sexual sins and we don't want homos to have the same access to society. We are afraid to practice the very freedom we subscribe to.
You are confused as to what constitutes freedom. You are confusing it with license. They are not the same thing. And the threat presented by gay marriage is not some reactionary puritanical concern with sexual sins. (Do you really believe that?) It's a deep concern about a tiny minority dictating to an overwhelming majority the new definition of an institution that the wisdom of thousands of years tells us is essential to a successful society.
LOL. Just another day in Kalifornicate. Guess i'll drive to the capitol, sit in the park and feed the squirrels....read legislators.
So glad that I don’t live on the Left Coast....
You are just talking about the U.S. Congress. You would also need all those State Legislatures to pass it. Not easy.
Just want to address one of your points. It doesn’t seem to be a “tiny minority” in favor of same-sex marriage. It seems to be a steadily increasing number of people, actually. Over 50% in some polls.
When California was the first state to legalize interracial marriage in 1948, 90% of people opposed it. In fact, the first time polls showed people opposed to interracial marriage were in the minority was 1991! It may seem unbelievable to many of us now, but it took that long for half the population to come around. There are still people who oppose interracial marriage, but they are now indeed a “tiny minority.”
Make of it what you will. I certainly find it “interesting” in light of current events.
OK. My bad.
Question for you: Do you really want the state involved with deciding what’s “holy” and what’s “unholy”? That could get messy pretty fast.
I am speculating that it is a rhetorical question and the answer is no, however having said that homosexuals “getting married” is unholy.
Be Very glad. We exist on the left coast. We use to live but moonbats took over Sacramento. We have fun and are retired or is it retard? Your homepge rocks Silvie.
Secondly, you never answered my position that I believe we are more moral now than in the past. You're working so hard on defense, you forgot 50% of the game. I guess you're wearing me out by keeping my offense on the field.
It is sanctimonius for you to tell me what to pray for.
I understand your religious views. I am pointing out that it's is wrong for you to try and impose them on everyone and for you to tell me how things have been for thousands of years. I answered that before. Tell it to women and slaves and evryone else who had their rights repressed.
You wouldn’t want the government making decisions based on what a religion (say, Islam) considers holy or unholy, right? Probably best that the state stay out of the business of holiness altogether, don’t you think?
I can understand his position -- a support for federalism, a desire to keep the Constitution from getting too "cluttered" --, but if you can't count on your opponents to play by the rules, you should have the option of more firmly establishing those rules through an amendment process.
Will he lose votes over this?
Thanks for the homepage/profile mention. I worked very hard on my 1980’s stuff.
So, do you live outside of Sacramento? Is there any other corner in California (aside from Orange Co.) that is somewhat Republican?
When someone exercises a right, in this case to right to decide to whom they will be married, it may be overturning thousands of years of practice. So what? Don't some practices need to be overturned for the sake of equality? Isn't that a good thing.
We can argue that there is or is not a right to marry, but as long as the government sets up benefits and legal restrictions then how do you justify leaving these people out.
That court of activist judges (aka rebels against God and the rule of law) can call it whatever they want, but two homosexuals in a committed relationship don’t make a marriage. Our political class is SOOOOOO out of control these days!
I made up my mind today that as much as I loathe him, I am going to vote for McCain. I promised myself I wouldn’t because I truly believe that we would not have this liberal McCain nomination had we not first had Pres. Bush govern as such a liberal, even though he always campaigned as a conservative. I have felt that I need to take a stand at this crucial time. I will feel worse than a prostitute on election day but when I see how bad the left has gotten, I have to do my part In trying to stop it as the alternative is just too bad.
I do believe McCain will not allow gays to openly serve in the military and that is what is driving my decision. It would destroy the military as we know it. The part that bothers me the most about this issue is that those in favor of all these gay rights use the rationale that people are born gay. Well, people are born diabetic too. People are born with all kinds of diseases of the body and mind. We don’t stop calling them diseases and we don’t stop trying to treat them. No normal person would dream of not treated their diabetic child with insulin if they needed it. So, why not hormone treatment for homosexuality if it’s physical and psychiatric treatment if it’s psychological? Because it’s political that’s why.
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