Posted on 05/14/2008 8:51:18 PM PDT by advance_copy
This site's owner and founder says the following, re: Juan McCain:
I'm standing with JimRob, on this one.
“The requested document does not exist on this server.” Okay
I see, a tax credit is a socialist redistribution. Tax credits - the government collecting LESS from you - is redistribution. Interesting definition!
So then, any deductions you take on your personal taxes are socialist redistributions! And as a Principled Conservative then you must not take any deductions, right? Unless you're a Socialist?
Mere lip service. See health tax credit above.
So voting for a Balanced Budget Amendment is just lip service. I see. Actual ACTIONS aren't anything more than lip service. Wow, what a position to take!
Globalism is Socialism in a business suit.
Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!
Gorebull Warming, cap and trade, health care tax credits... You're joking, right?
No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand? McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions. He'll reduce taxes for positions, but that still requires you to have to pay taxes, just less of them. You don't get direct payments to take those positions.
I assume you consider the Bush tax cuts to actually be socialist wealth redistribution, and effectively increased taxation?
ROTFLMAO!
Chuck Baldwin is a Kool-aid drinking Paulian who lies about anyone and anything if it advances his extremist views.
You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain. I'll take the endorsement and support of a few MILLION gun owners from all walks of life over the few dozen Paulians at Baldwin's site...
Many socialists are for strong nat'l defense... Lenin, Mao, Marx, etc...
Except those named Obama and Hillary...
Nothing trumps sovereignty... Nothing. Without sovereignty, we are simply... not. McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations. He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU. He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.
Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.
"Okay"...?
Apparently yes. All opinions are not valid. The Constitution does not call for a free, unfettered-by-government economy. And Ron Paul is NOT a Presidential Candidate (he’s dropped out).
The Okay was part of the reply when I clicked on the link. No insult was intended. It was strictly a cut and paste job.
Okay. My apologies for snapping, then; My Bad. ;)
Good. That is the perfect start.
Have a good night, Kent. I’m out of here.
BUMPed for The Truth!!!
‘Night! ;)
I thought you were one of McCain’s biggest supporters here. Don’t tell me you have going over to the bitcon side.
Whom do you suppose will be paying for the health care Juan's beloved additional 30-to-40 million additional illegals are (inevitably) going to need?
From where do you suppose that money will, logically, be coming?
Will the marvelous magical Money Fairy be providing, in this instance... or: will Juan ultimately need to tap some other source, instead?
"Reduced taxation." Pfft.
I choose to judge a man by his actions in the past; apparently you want to judge a man by what he may do in the future based upon your own beliefs.
McCain - like him or not - has proven to be a fiscal hawk, and does not raise taxes. He voted for the balanced budget amendment. He’s consistently opposed earmarks, and has identified programs he’d specifically cut.
Rag on him for other issues, but to call him on the carpet for financial issues is absurd. Might as well haul Reagan forward for capitulating to the Soviets (he talked with them, must have made them feel OK to break apart so they could then take an even harder-tack against the West!), Gingrich for brazenly supporting the full Democrat agenda (after all, the Contract with America got a few Democrat supporters), or Delay for murder (well, he was indicted for campaign financing issues, and we know the Clintons took out some people for some campaign issues so Delay might, too).
As I said then, and still maintain, the only candidate who can beat Hillary or Obama is whomever the Republicans nominate. Duh!
No one else will get the votes they need.
As I said then, the Republicans might as well nominate a Conservative, because the rest of the party will vote for them rather than letHillary (or Obama) win.
McCain? Came in sixth on my list early on. Rudy was last.
Sometimes, the steadfast refusal to forthrightly answer a simple, straightforward question is, in and of itself, an answer.
It was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and died in it's reformulation by lack of support from conservatives.
For an interesting perspective, look at the Justices that held it to be unconstitutional, among them Rhenquist and Thomas. What does that do to the notion that McCain would not appoint Justices that rule against his initiatives.
The problem inherent with your vision of what McCain offers is that it does nothing to fix the health care crisis. Those deducting health insurance in this future tax credit are those who already have health insurance, and only covers the things that the insurance already covers.
The truth of the matter is that, in order to lay claim to it's advertised effect, it must take the form of a 'tax credit' similar to the earned income tax credit, where a government 'kickback' check would pay for, or reimburse, insurance costs, paying for, or paid by, those who cannot afford it.
I would reinforce my position with this:
For the sickest Americans who would find it hard to buy affordable coverage in an open market, McCain wants the states to form risk pools, or what he calls Guaranteed Access Plans. He also said there would be "reasonable limits" on premiums, and federal assistance for those below a certain income level. Business Week: "McCain's Health-Care Proposal" by Catherine Arnst Health care in America "should be available to all, and not limited by where you work or how much you make," McCain said in a speech delivered in Tampa at the University of South Florida's H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute.
So McCain will cap premiums with a heretofore undefined reasonable' limit, and will provide federal assistance at some certain, but undefined level. Hmmm. Looks like governmental intervention, regulation, and redistribution to me, pal.
Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!
Global business being able to ascend beyond even the most reasonable of regulations, exploiting poor countries to subvert labor laws and health and security regulations is not what 'free trade' is for. Business without conscience, and without consequence, is not the American way.
In doing so, they participate in developing an underclass, work assignment, wealth redistribution, and elitism, all on a global scale.
No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand?
Earned Income Tax Credit. 'Splain that one.
McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions.
My point is that one cannot have these expansive government programs (His 'leading to universal' insurance, Gorebull Warming / Kyoto, increasing military, and etcetera) without paying for them. The only way that happens is by raising taxes, or borrowing more money from the Chinese.
You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain.
Yeah, right. Whatever. They'd endorse a ham sandwich... As it is, they are endorsing a guy they gave a "C" to. Whoopee.
Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.
McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations.
FR: "U.N. double talk from straight talker McCain" By Cliff Kincaid
He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU.
He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.
I won't be linking this unless you are so out of touch that you don't get the ramifications of McCain-Kennedy. Estimates range as high as 40m new voting citizens, all happy little socialist democrats... etc... The argument is common knowledge. And yes, he is on the record saying that if McCain Kennedy crosses his presidential desk, he will sign it.
No, we have no options this election. Don't pretend that we do. Here's how I'm going to determine to vote?
Will it be more likely to stop the socialist policies of the next President (Obama or McCain) to have McCain in office as President, thereby split the Republican Party or would it be better to have a united party to oppose Democrat socialist proposals? Bush was able to split the GOP to get his Kennedy-written education policy thru and get his stupid Prescription Drug Plan thru. McCain would split the GOP and provide cover to the Democrats to get his Amnesty bill thru and his Global Warming takeover of the US economy thru. I don't know how McCain is on the war. He gave the lefties huge cover with all their "America is a torturing nation" stuff. Bush gets away with promoting the creation of a Palestinian terrorist State without much GOP criticism. If Obama tried to do the things Bush IS doing, the GOP would be screaming to high heaven. So, McCain's iffy on the war, blowing smoke on judges, may be worse in that he could get his socialist policies enacted by splitting the GOP. For me, it's an open question, whether Obama would be worse than McCain. And just pushing the Obama socialist meme is absurd, because McCain is as big of a socialist.
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