Man Shot After Shooting Police Dog: Family Outraged

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | May 7, 2008 | Michael Hasch

[Gondring]

Let’s go back before that. The police sicced the dog on him after he complied with their request. Did he ask the dog to come at him?

[Gondring]

No doubt if the young man had yelled "I got a gun" they'd shot him down on the spot anyway.

Yep. And many FReepers would be cheering his death and saying that his words must have been a threat.

He was put into a Catch-22.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

I didn't know that dogs could see 'color.' So that argument doesn't hold up for me. But dogs do have a keen sense of smell...and maybe Aulf was responding to the 'smell' of gun powder...maybe Jackson fired the gun very recently (remember the 'gunplay' that cops were originally responding too) and that added into Aulf 'reaction' to Jackson.

[muawiyah]

Not all the guards in Abu Ghraib got cashiered, but many did. The incident was not without its successful prosecutions.

What did those guys do next in their lives?

And why do you think my questioning the status of these particular cops (and their supervisors) somehow trashes the NG?

Of course it doesn't.

[muawiyah]

The way we keep the violent crime rate low here is very simple ~ you use a gun you get a mandatory 5 years added to your term. Plus, Virginia has a remarkably liberal standard for putting folks on that last gurney ride. Although Texas gets all the fame for the numbers of thugs put down, Virginia actually leads in the percentage of thugs put down.

That's why our cops can stay in shape riding bicycles.

[Gondring]

Pulling out a gun and shooting the dog while policemen are standing nearby is not.

Of course, that's not what the chief says happened.

The gun was already out--that's the reason they are giving for siccing the dog on him.

[muawiyah]

I’m very much in favor of only killing that which you intend to eat.

[Gondring]

All the perp had to do is show his hands as police ordered and the dog would have never attacked. Quite simple really.

Not true. He showed his hands when requested, according to the police chief's earlier statements.

I bet he did not have a permit for the gun either

Why should a citizen be required to have a permit to carry a weapon? Or aren't we going to hear that argument this time around...?

[PennsylvaniaMom]

I'd like to know how many of the cops on this run were part of the PA NG ~ and where did they serve ~ and did they get honorable discharges. 277 posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:49:22 PM by muawiyah

I think its pretty trashing. I think it pretty much states that you distrust/hate, whatever, anybody who puts on a uniform and protects and serves be it nationally or locally. On a conservative site you really want to defend the prisoners' of Abu Ghraib and a gang banger in one fell swoop...wow...like I said before, I never cease to be surprised here.

[muawiyah]

I'm so happy someone sees the dilemma. Guy is out with a gun. Lord only knows why, but it's a bad neighborhood. Older man in my office used to walk his two Rottweiler's every evening near his home in NE DC (an overwhelmingly majority black community with a then growing crime problem).

He packed heat to protect his dogs from thieves.

However, to protect his pistol he stuffed it in his back waist under his jacket..

Folks in the office used to come in with great ideas of where he should relocate in the DC area where he'd be safer. He said he wasn't going to let the bums run him out.

Still, if he'd been stopped by the cops while walking two rottweilers and said "wait a minute officer I have a gun" they'd shot him on the spot.

He just never got stopped ~ at least by the cops.

[muawiyah]

No doubt the dog was trained to "alert" on many substances ~ might be something the family's lawyers get into ~ see what those substances were, see if they were proper signals for suspicion of crime, etc.

Whatever, the lawyers trying to loot the Pittsburgh treasury are going to find something wrong with this picture.

[Starwolf]

As others here have correctly pointed out, dogs can never be real LEOs. To claim so is specious at best.

I’ve been looking for convictions under statutes that support that fallacy and am yet to find them.

[Gondring]

You do realize the Police Chief is revising the story to meet address the questions of the critics ~ many of them here.

He'll keep doing this until he has a water-tight version that can satisfy a judge (like the guy in New York who cut the cops loose in the "bridegroom murder").

Not surprising to find they have PC like this in Pittsburgh. Just another one of the reasons why the place is slipping back into the slimepits.

I recall being part of a small group getting a tour from the mayor's office, showing off redevelopment efforts in the city. Someone asked, "when is the break-even point projected?" Um...question not understood...please restate it. "When will all this investment pay off and you'll have profits on the tax base?"

The guy looked at the questioner like he had two heads and stated that there was no projected break-even point. It was obvious that "investment" was just a throwaway term, and that the whole effort was a make-jobs program for Pittsburgh funded by taxpayers elsewhere.

[Gondring]

It’s sad that the Republic has come to this, where the ordinary citizen fails to see the danger of such dilemmas—or even fails to see them in the first place!

[muawiyah]

Frankly, I think you are a P*S. I seved honorably in the United States Infantry. I served for a while as support with the West German Bundesgruenzenschus (the border guards), and I never, ever developed the slightest sense of respect for MPs, Russian soldiers, or Vopos.

When I see sexual perverts sneaking into the military so they can be MPs in POW prisons where they can sexually molest prisoners, I definitely add those people to the category of those I do not respect.

Now, you may want to defend what went on at Abu Ghraib. I'm not going to join you in that. I also want Don't Ask, Don't Tell repealed, and replaced with a general prohibition on the selection of sexual deviants and perverts for military service.

Since the PA NG had some (see that word "some") involved in sexually abusing POWs I'm merely asking the question of what happened to those guys when they got cashiered. Did they show up in the Pittsburgh police or what?

It's not beyond belief that they did.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Since the PA NG had some (see that word "some")

'Some' did not appear in your original post...I would argue the semantics but since I am a P*SI don't think I need to address you anymore.

Peace. Out.

[muawiyah]

I expected some consistency out of you. You were earlier unwilling to defend sexual deviancy among the leadership elite of the F(lds) and yet here you want to defend it.

You can't have that one both ways.

BTW, that was my SECOND post on the subject.

[Ditto]

Given that attitude, I doubt any urban jury would convict anybody of killing a police dog, since they had reasonable fear of their life.

LOL. In this case, the perp won't have a day in court, but having been a lifelong resident of Pittsburgh, I can damn well guarantee the guy would have done some very long hard time for shooting a K-9 if he had somehow survived his Darwin Award moment.

[muawiyah]

A dog is a dog. Some of you guys like to get down and wrestle and slobber with them ~ maybe even a little huggy-buggy stuff ~ but for the overwhelming majority of people, dogs stay on the floor, eat out of bowls, and darned well better not pee on the floor!

There's really nothing special about a working dog. They are readily replaced.

[Ditto]

What was he supposed to do???

If you are licensed to carry a gun, you raise your empty hands and announce to the officer that you are a licensed CC owner and that you have a weapon on you.

On the other hand, if you are an idiot hip-hop gang banger, you figure you can quick draw, kill the cops and go off to your next drug deal.