Posted on 05/06/2008 7:30:45 AM PDT by sevenbak
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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” 20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” |
The mormons are free to post any sermons, speechs, writings or thoughts of their present day leaders. with no interference from the moderators as to content. However, they have perfected the "art of persecution" on FR....moderators, in deference to the LDS, quickly delete posts of mormon rituals and clothing that are allowed on thousands of other internet sites. There is, on the Religion Forum, provision for "closed" threads on which NO rebuttal to LDS sermons is allowed, yet there seems to be a demand by mormon FReepers that ALL mormon threads be designated as "closed" with no rebuttal allowed.
There has been a recent drive to censor the "antis" for what is described as "mormon bashing", yet when I asked the religion moderator for a definition for the term, none was forthcoming. We STILL haven't seen the official definition. It appears that the defining is being left up to the whim of the mormon bashing the "abuse" button.
Here is one reply on a question regarding mormon "bashing". Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:10:19 PM ·
to svcw Click on my profile page for the guidelines for the Religion Forum.
Identifying “bashing” on the News Forum is more like identifying pornography, the moderators know it when they see it.
79 posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:10:19 PM by Religion Moderator
Link So, in effect if you post anything disputing the propaganda posted by the mormons on FR, there is an arbitrary standard you must meet without knowledge of just what that "standard" is, while there is NO standard that must be met by proponents of the mormon religion.
The LDS religion is founded on the principle that ALL other Christian churches are false, wrong, and in the words of the LDS founder, "abominations". The mormons are free to post article after article expounding on that belief that theirs is the "one TRUE church", yet, moderators label rebuttal of those statements "bashing".
I don't know the number of mormons on FR, but if the ratio holds true to that of mormons in the general popluation, it appears that a very small number of FReepers have a very large influence on site policies. It seems to me THAT is something that FR's mission was established to avoid, government by the elite.
The mormons are free to post any sermons, speechs, writings or thoughts of their present day leaders. with no interference from the moderators as to content. However, they have perfected the "art of persecution" on FR....moderators, in deference to the LDS, quickly delete posts of mormon rituals and clothing that are allowed on thousands of other internet sites. There is, on the Religion Forum, provision for "closed" threads on which NO rebuttal to LDS sermons is allowed, yet there seems to be a demand by mormon FReepers that ALL mormon threads be designated as "closed" with no rebuttal allowed.
There has been a recent drive to censor the "antis" for what is described as "mormon bashing", yet when I asked the religion moderator for a definition for the term, none was forthcoming. We STILL haven't seen the official definition. It appears that the defining is being left up to the whim of the mormon bashing the "abuse" button.
Here is one reply on a question regarding mormon "bashing". Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:10:19 PM ·
to svcw Click on my profile page for the guidelines for the Religion Forum.
Identifying “bashing” on the News Forum is more like identifying pornography, the moderators know it when they see it.
79 posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:10:19 PM by Religion Moderator
Link So, in effect if you post anything disputing the propaganda posted by the mormons on FR, there is an arbitrary standard you must meet without knowledge of just what that "standard" is, while there is NO standard that must be met by proponents of the mormon religion.
The LDS religion is founded on the principle that ALL other Christian churches are false, wrong, and in the words of the LDS founder, "abominations". The mormons are free to post article after article expounding on that belief that theirs is the "one TRUE church", yet, moderators label rebuttal of those statements "bashing".
I don't know the number of mormons on FR, but if the ratio holds true to that of mormons in the general popluation, it appears that a very small number of FReepers have a very large influence on site policies. It seems to me THAT is something that FR's mission was established to avoid, government by the elite.
It's good form to ping me when you speak about me. I would give you that courtesy.
It sure seems pretty common when mormons are asked hard questions here...they go mute. Facts are stubborn things. I suspect many mormons would like those old sermons of B.Young and J. Smith to disappear.
I continually pray for your eyes to open, and your mind to clear.
And 3 posts doesn't make it any more valid.
That you don't have posts yanked immediately that you don't like, such as posts of garments, signs, etc?
That you mormons cry and whine "bashing" on thread after thread?
That the mormon church is founded on claims that all other Christian churches are false?
I didn't mention the threats made by some of your number against other FReepers and Free Republic.
As to you posting on open threads, that's where you do all the complaining about "persecution"....no need to do it on the "closed" threads, is there?
Is it not true that there has been a drive to censor we "antis" in the past week or so? You, yourself have linked to posts made by the RM regarding this. What other confession has a mod defending it against rebuttal of its claims? Please post the links to THAT.
Which is it?
WHAT?
Fully engage and correct...AND "allow" engagement and correction from US, as well. Hiding behind the "persecution" banner and engaging the mods in your defense is hardly honestly engaging.
Salt Lake can hide away in the vault all the historical documents it chooses, but on a FREE discussion board, the posting of the statements and actions of your early leaders cannot and should not be censored because "the JOD isn't canon". The civil and press documents from the early mormon history in Missouri can and should be allowed to rebut the mormon spin on that history, without the outraged cries of "bashing".
The FACT that the actual polygamy of the FLDS is a DIRECT RESULT of section 132 of the D&C (which is STILL in the "canon") is not a "bash". I know it's difficult to defend celestial polygamy while condemning FLDS actions, but hiding behind the "poor persecuted us" meme does not change the facts.
You mormons claim the "right" to go out by the tens of thousands daily, mount extensive PR campaigns in the media, and consider yourselves ALL called to be missionaries, WITHOUT interference and censorship.
Are we to be told that you have the "right" to proselytize without rebuttal here? That WE are to accept interference and censorship to spare your feelings? That YOU are to make the decision on what is admissible in response to that proselytizing? We were told yesterday that some of our sources had been "discredited". By whom? the GAs in Salt Lake? Then again, we source from your historical documents and are told THEY are discredited too.
Is this what you call "fully engaging and correcting"?
It appears that you are the one wanting it both ways.
You can laugh, but don't post.
If it takes a hundred posts a day for every one to get sick of it, perhaps the message will sink home.
This is the message:
When you continually try to define who I am and what I hold sacred, I will inundate you with the actual doctrine and things that I hold close to my heart, and have received a witness of it's truth from the spirit of God. When you stop, so will I.
Here's another clue, 2 Nephi 2:11
Mormons think by having their dirty laundry aired in public that they will earn admirers. It is precisely the opposite. The more people know about Mormonism, its beliefs and history, the less they like it.
Look at our FIP ping list. It has doubled since the fLDS debacle. Not only that, but I have been keeping a list of ex-mormons just for my personal information. There are almost as many ex-mormons posting on this site as active members. Mormons want their voice to be heard, but they don't want to allow us the same privilege. People are reading these threads, they are intelligent enough to see what is happening.
Its sorta like congress going after talk-show radio and trying to shut down the opposing view. It is squelching of free speech and should never be allowed to happen in America. I do recognize that this is a private website, run for the purpose of conservatism. Christianity is highly prized by the owners of this site. We have multiple Christian sites who have plainly stated that Mormonism is not Christian in the traditional sense, but is a heresy. I think Mormons have been coddled more than their numbers and their strange doctrine actually warrant.
Seven, you are free to believe whatever you want, but in THIS nation, I am still free to oppose your belief. This isn't hatred, it is free speech.
Do you believe that the universal apostasy meant that the Gates of Hell had in fact prevailed over Christ's church?
50/ 50 split, that sounds about right.
Reminds me of the parable of the ten virgins.
You can use some of my oil if you want Color, but only if you promise to be nice. ;-)
Does the phrase "Nauvoo Examiner" ring a bell?
LOL,... Free Speech ala Joseph Smith.
(I think it was the Nauvoo Expositor.)
Hey, post away. You post YOUR doctrine, I post MY truth learned from personal experience with your doctrine....
I don't take YOUR truth as personally trying to define what I believe. I just claim the right to dispute the factualness of your truth. You are free to do the same, in page after page after page after page.......actually, I love to see those unending posts. Other FReepers don't seem to.
BTW, I have discredited Nephi as a source.
Ah,yes, my bad (just washed my hands and I can’t type a thing with them)
IMHO, it is you seven who is without oil.
See how that works.
BTW, Mormonism to Christianity is about 2 to 100 not 50/50.
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