Posted on 05/05/2008 3:59:52 PM PDT by Mount Athos
When Ms. Murguia of the National Council of "The Race" announces that "when free speech transforms into hate speech, we've got to draw that line " we don't know whether to laugh or cry, since her own organization's very nomenclature "The National Council of La Raza" is hate speech to the core.
No other ethnic organization these days would dare to refer to themselves as "The Race." Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests), reflects the meaning of "race" in Spanish, not "the people" — and that's precisely why we don't hear of something like "The National Council of the People" which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial, and tribal chauvinism.
What we are seeing is that a moderate corrective back to sanity on illegal immigration threatens these extremists and racialist groups to the point of causing hysteria. Apparently, they assumed that no one was ever going to question their racist language deeply embedded in 1960s 'resistance' culture.
In this regard, Ms. Murguia could do her part in curbing hate speech by starting with the many campus MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan).affiliates, who have never repudiated all the nonsense of the "liberation of Aztlan," and on whose websites one can still find the old racist hatred: "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada," and new ones like "Anchor babies are destined to transform America — although during the California recall election and the implosion of the Cruz Bustamante candidacy, there was the welcome development of seeing that the old motto "A bronze state for a bronze people" suddenly began disappearing off MEChA university websites, no doubt due to the civil-rights humanitarianism of La Raza.
By November I don't know why either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama should not have been asked to repudiate the support of an organization self-described as "The National Council of The Race," or why public funds on campuses go to an organization like MEChA whose very title "Aztlan" refers to the notion of reclaiming parts of the southwestern United States under some Hispanic utopia, and whose affiliates at UC Berkeley and Pasadena City College were implicated in destroying campus newspapers deemed critical. I suggest Ms. Murguia also peruse The Voice of Aztlan, distributed on university campuses, in which disgusting anti-Semitic rants have been commonplace.
Ms. Murguia is absolutely right. We need to draw the line on real hate speech as it pertains to race and questions of ethnic identity — and she could make a useful beginning by modifying the name of her very own organization.
La Raza doesn’t outright call for Reconquista but they provide air-cover for the real radicals and they seem never, ever, ever to criticism anybody with brown skin regardless of how heinous the act or statement.
Much like CAIR, La Raza doesn’t do the dirty work themselves but acts as an umbrella group to do all the PR for the race and excuse away any openly radical activists when they accidentally get into the MSM.
La Raza doesn’t mean ‘The Race’ to hispanics for the most part. Like most white people don’t ever think of themselves as ‘white’ or as part of any particular ethnicity (unless they are Irish or Italian or something more specific). But the term ‘La Raza’ does mean The Race and it’s translation is entirely dependent upon who in the political debate gets to define it first. Liberal used to be a non-offensive word but we were victorious and now its a perjorative.
NCLR and LULAC are basically hispanic socialist groups who just seek to promote people with spanish surnames up through the bureaucracy into places of power. They aren’t interested in equality or colorblindness any more than the NAACP is. They are racist groups by definition that they only seek to promote one race against all others.
Well, that’s the kind of stuff I’m talking about but I couldn’t find ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to MECHA on their website. Your cite says they were funding in 2003, how about since then? Did they remove those on line endorsements and funding since then or are they finding them in secret now?
“How about the fact that WE taxpayers fund LaRaza to the tune of $25 million a year?”
There are about 1000 organizations that get my tax dollars that make me wretch. How are they different? Are they advocating seditious policies or funding terrorism?
Otherwise we are all tempted to think of them as just another bunch of ingrateful racists trying to bust their way into our country as if they have a right to do so.
Come to think of it, use of the term "la raza" should be brounds for instant deportation.
There are several problems here, with complex ramifications -
The Mexican civil rights organizations have pretty much been backed into a corner as a result of their own history and their bad luck in that they developed out of 1960’s ethno-socialist idiocy, because all the college kids that founded them came out of that. Therefore even the mildest community organization has solid ties to “Atzlan” this or that. They are forever tarred with that brush, and even those that realize it can’t back out - “For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his gods”, etc. A lot of these organizations, at least those run by adults, even if unwilling to deny their roots, would like to just forget about it.
This is a problem for us, because this leaves an intellectual barrier to integration - at least a barrier to integration of intellectuals, regular people for the most part pay little attention to crap that college kids get - even if they desperately want to integrate. And lots of them do; a lot of those people don’t even speak Spanish. We are not talking about organizations of illegal immigrants, the vast majority of college educated Mexicans are legal.
So what to do ? Several options -
a. Permit the adults to just sweep all the dirt under the rug, “don’t ask, don’t tell” seems best. McCain going to speak with them is a good thing in this view. The downside is that disloyal ideas will get forgiven, and it leaves some substructure for justification of disloyalty in some later crisis. The odds are though that these people are already so integrated into the US that they can’t switch sides to any realistic irredentist movement. Mexico, for these people these days, is just too foreign, and too miserable.
On our side it is a Christian virtue to forgive.
b. Force the issue and make them recant. This preserves the roots of civic virtue, but the cost could be very high. Conflict will raise the tribal barriers and serve as a real obstacle to integration, and, probably, create long term grudges.
“If they promote and defend only one race, they are RACIST!”
As do these organizations;
African American political organizations
Congressional Black Caucus
California Legislative Black Caucus
Black Leadership Forum
Georgia Legislative Black Caucus
Louisiana Legislative Black Caucus
Oklahoma Legislative Black Caucus
South Carolina Legislative Black Caucus
Latino American political organizations
Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute
League of United Latin American Citizens
National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials
Mexican American Political Association
California Latino Legislative Caucus
Southwest Voter Registration Education Project (SVREP)
Asian American political organizations
Chinese American Political Association
Chinese American Democratic Club
Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus
80-20 Initiative
Asian Pacific Americans for Progress
Why does the NCLR earn any more disrespect than them?
That was MECHA.
Yep. There were a lot of punks in those days.
The vast majority were also a bunch of posers. They had about as much genuine connection to Mexico as my Spanish grandmother.
No one is going to stop us. Just a matter of the government giving a damned.
No one is going to stop us. Just a matter of the government giving a damned.
Well, you did such a super job with the governmental and other institutions in Mexico, I'm sure you'll work the same magic here.
“Hispanic groups should learn to respect our customs and standards ~ the elimination of the term “la raza” should be first on their list.”
I don’t entirely disagree but my long time understanding of the term “raza” means “the people” to hispanics.
But it can be offensive to other groups who translate it as specifically meaning hispanics.
BTW - Have you been as outraged over the years by the term NAACP?
NCLR is tied to some extremely unfortunate rhetoric, unlike most of these others. The Asian ones for instance certainly don’t have that weird violent-revolution fascist vibe, and neither do most of the black ones.
If I thought for one second you were in earnest, and not trying to stink up the thread just because you can...
..then I would understand those who thoughtfully try to answer you.
But I'm on to you....You keep doing this, thread after thread....
You like to provoke.
Nice analysis.
Why can’t we have more of this kind of rational thinking on FR instead of the constant knee jerk, let’s grab the torches and march stuff?
Agreed. How do we get that reversed?
You should ping Dane on this one. I won't.
FMCDH(BITS)
No, “la raza” is a specifically Mexican term, and one with very fascist roots besides. You won’t find this a common term in Spain or other Spanish-speaking countries, even in Latin America.
It came out of very particular Mexican cultural anxieties.
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