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Classical music's twentieth-century tragedy
Timesonline.co.uk ^ | April 30, 2008 | Ian Bostridge

Posted on 05/04/2008 6:35:19 PM PDT by forkinsocket

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To: SuziQ
Good video game music
141 posted on 05/05/2008 1:50:29 AM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: Borges
Serious Music = Music where the notated score transcends any single performance = music that looks better than it sounds.
142 posted on 05/05/2008 2:20:50 AM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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To: snarkpup

There was a double LP by Columbia that included a Bach transcription of a Vivaldi concerto as well as another concerto by a guy named Ernst, I think, who died when he was 19. Then there was a single LP that had other pieces such as Toccata and Fugue in D minor. He did an LP of Scott Joplin rags on the pedal harpsichord. I love the sound of that instrument. Finally, a harpsichord that wasn’t tinkly sounding. Trio sonatas 5 and 6 are especially good.


143 posted on 05/05/2008 4:03:59 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SeeSharp

That is already happening, from what I can tell.

Have you seen the price of concert tickets lately?


144 posted on 05/05/2008 4:11:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Antoninus

Will do!


145 posted on 05/05/2008 4:40:07 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: fr_freak

Thanks! I just sent the link to my son.


146 posted on 05/05/2008 6:33:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: mylife
"I have alway thought the violin should have had a premier spot in Rock rather than synthesizers. "

Good reason to listen to Bluegrass.

Seriously: has anyone seen the book?
Read it?
Sounds like interesting stuff for us non-musical sorts...

147 posted on 05/05/2008 6:40:23 AM PDT by norton
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To: Spktyr
that’s “popular” music from the video game Halo.

One of my joys is to have a computer at work that allows me to listen to BBC3, and as I sing in a church choir I am always interested in Aled Jones show called "The Choir." Their program for this week are songs in praise of Mary, Mother of Jesus.

Over the last few months I've heard recordings ranging from Viking songs, to "Sacred Music for Choir and Didgeridoo." Last week it was American College A Cappella Choirs singing everything from Ozzy Osbourne and Tenacious D song called "Tribute" as well as classical.

One of my favorite edisodes focused on Commercial music. Here was his "playlist, featuring choral music from Halo 3, Assassins creed, Final Fantasy VIII, and Clive Barkers Jericho, as well as several soundtracks.

My point is that we are all "Kings," we are all patrons. All music, even sacred music is produced to sell. When we connect with the emotion of the composer, we "buy" into it. Yes, propaganda can be musical. Classical music is no more or less a tool than any other method of communication.

In the twenty-first century, we are also all "rebels." Last night I watched "Immortal Beloved" again. This thread just reminded me of when Beethoven started out intending to praise Napoleon, and scratched out his name from Eroica. At the end of the film, as he was unable to hear the music of his Ninth symphony, the filmaker chose to represent the inspiration of Beethoven's joy as being a kid running away from his abusive dad into the freedom of a night swim under a thousand stars.

I can never hear that song without thinking of the fall of the Berlin Wall and that concert where Leonard Bernstein changed the words from "Joy (Freude)"" to "Freedom (Freiheit)" as the city was reunited. It expressed it perfectly - which is what classical music does, and why we still buy it.

BTW, my favorite violinist is Joe Venuti.

148 posted on 05/05/2008 7:09:40 AM PDT by Dutchgirl ("All you need to know about Obama is this: Farrakhan really wants him to be president."-Feder)
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To: Rudder

I like the term “Art Music” better, course they all claim to be artists...


149 posted on 05/05/2008 7:46:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: mylife

My take on that is that I think the violin was the guitar of the 19th century, and the violin soloist was the guitar hero of his day. Got the idea from Paganini and some of the Anne Rice novels.


150 posted on 05/05/2008 7:47:50 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: Antoninus

He’s one of the most accessible and popular 20th century composers. Who dislikes West Side Story?


151 posted on 05/05/2008 7:55:37 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Rudder
That's the most nonjudgmental definition. Pop music is based on the performance. The music can change in any number of ways...melodically, harmonically. Not so with ‘notational’ music.
152 posted on 05/05/2008 7:58:43 AM PDT by Borges
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To: norton

‘The Rest is Noise’ you mean? It’s outstanding. I highly reccomend it.


153 posted on 05/05/2008 7:59:50 AM PDT by Borges
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Fascinating. Thanks!


154 posted on 05/05/2008 8:08:23 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: chilepepper

Well, the destruction of the pop payola/playola system can’t help but be good for all kinds of music. Just the other day I got an itch to hear some klezmer music, so I popped it into Youtube and got all I wanted. The next day I wanted to hear some tangos, same thing. Today I’d like to hear some Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys instrumental swing. I bet I can find that too.


155 posted on 05/05/2008 8:13:54 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: Spktyr
Hm... So 90% of everything played on a classical radio station *must* be crap. Yup, truth.

No, that's not right, that's not what he means. At any given time 90% of what is produced is crap, same now as it was in 1900, 1800, or 1700. "Classical" means withstanding the test of time, so what we have now is the very best, the very cream of what was produced in any given era. That said, it still seems like we are getting the short end of the stick in modern day. There are so many other choices for young people that not so many of them choose to try to push the envelope of art music.

156 posted on 05/05/2008 8:40:34 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: mylife

I thought Call and Response was the quintessential African style, along with the driving beat.


157 posted on 05/05/2008 8:44:51 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: Borges

Yes, and thanks; just remember that I don’t even play spoons so excessive technical detail would probably bury me.


158 posted on 05/05/2008 9:02:20 AM PDT by norton
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To: snarkpup
Oddly, they’re in Hollywood and Japan, composing film scores (because the stupid elitists won’t accept any “new” classical-styled music).

My favorite is Basil Poledouris' score for Conan the Barbarian.


I too like Poledouris, amongst my favorites are Conan, Red Dawn, Robocop & Quigley Down Under.

Other Favorite Composers are:

John Williams - Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman & Harry Potter.

Jerry Goldsmith - Planet of the Apes, Patton, Papillon, Star Trek TMP, Alien, Hoosiers, 13th Warrior.

Danny Elfman - Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Batman, Beetle Juice, The Flash (TV), The Simpons (TV), Sledge Hammer! (TV), Tales Frmom The Crypt (TV).

Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 (he did separate scores for every episode), Sorceror, Red Heat.


159 posted on 05/05/2008 9:31:58 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo
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To: forkinsocket

Ian Bostridge. Too snobby for me.


160 posted on 05/05/2008 11:13:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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