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A Blood Libel on Our Civilization. Can I expell Expelled?
National Review Online ^ | April 28, 2008 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: js1138

What was prod and promo? Most docs don’t have more than $1 million prod costs and I never saw a TV ad, which the the majority of promo costs.


81 posted on 04/28/2008 1:11:14 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Cincinatus
Derb is a paleocon who happens to be a big fan of math and science.

Sorry, atheists don't qualify as "paleocons."

82 posted on 04/28/2008 1:13:09 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Of course, I also didn't write a big article bragging about how ignorant I was concerning a documentary right before trashing it.

My thoughts exactly. Pretty much stopped reading there.

FMCDH(BITS)

83 posted on 04/28/2008 1:15:41 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Soliton
#10

By the way, it was number 9 on the list I saw. Guess it depends on who complied the list and what criteria they used.

84 posted on 04/28/2008 1:15:59 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Ben Stein's attacking Western Civilization.

Because there was no Western Civilization before Darwin.

Michelangelo was an evolutionist. And so was Bach. Or so you would have us believe.

85 posted on 04/28/2008 1:16:56 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Delacon

I liked the original version of this column a lot better...

Eric ‘Otter’ Stratton: Point of parliamentary procedure!
Robert Hoover: Don’t screw around, they’re serious this time!
Eric ‘Otter’ Stratton: Take it easy, I’m pre-law.
Donald ‘Boon’ Schoenstein: I thought you were pre-med.
Eric ‘Otter’ Stratton: What’s the difference? [Addressing the room] Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests — we did. [winks at Dean Wormer] But you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg — isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner.]


86 posted on 04/28/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by RichInOC (God exists, He intervenes in His creation, and (I think this is obvious) He's a bit of a comedian.)
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To: Maximilian

13 10 Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed RM $1,379,000 -53.6% 1,041 -11 $1,324 $5,282,000

It was down by 56% this weekend ower last weekend. Heres the numbers just like I said


87 posted on 04/28/2008 1:19:28 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

TV ads were all over the History and Science channels. Opening a thousand theaters is not cheap. Just the prints will run 1.5 million, and then there’s money to guarantee a minimum two week run.

Plus the cost of dozens of pre-release showings.

One of the producers is on record hoping for a 12 million opening weekend. I’d say they will be lucky to get that with DVD revenue combined. If there is a DVD.


88 posted on 04/28/2008 1:19:54 PM PDT by js1138
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To: MrB
Yep, we all know that Western Civ and Modern Science have NOTHING to do with the Judeo-Christian religion.

I think they do have something to do with it. However, I don't see how that's relevant to Expelled or Derbyshire's article.

89 posted on 04/28/2008 1:20:38 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: js1138

They will see $12 million with DVD, but that is ridiculous to hope for on an open with a doc. Moore can do it, but he has a built in promo machine and 3 or 4 docs under his belt.

They will make a little money, but it won’t make anyone rich. But they won’t take a bath the way it’s been suggested.


90 posted on 04/28/2008 1:24:24 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: ShadowAce
I saw the movie the other day.

It is exactly as you describe it -- NOT pro-creationism.

It is, rather, anti-evolution-establishment.

People really -- REALLY! -- should go see this movie before attempting to discuss it.

91 posted on 04/28/2008 1:27:17 PM PDT by chs68
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To: Alter Kaker

You got to help me out. If I believe that “in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth,” I am attacking Western Civilization?


92 posted on 04/28/2008 1:30:06 PM PDT by carton253 (www.headquartersanv.blogspot.com -- for conversations about the Army of Northern Virginia.)
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To: The Woim

I went to National Review and read the archives of Mr. Derbyshire - particularly the Q&A about his beliefs in God.

After reading that article, I want to amend what I said earlier. Mr. Derbyshier is jus a tired old guy who’s Christian beliefs were actually “whittled” away. I mean, born an Anglican (a really hollow form of Christianity) and then going through life misreading all the cues (describing your kids in bio-terms is ok, but I’m particularly amazed at the differences in my three kids).

Mr. Derbyshire is still a wishy-washy believer in God. He’s just not a Christian any longer. If he were a convert to Judaism, that would be an entirely different thing. However, his snarky article shows that he sides with the evolutionists and mocks the creationists. Is Mr. Derbyshire also pro-abortion? I didn’t read all of his articles in archive.

My biggest disappointment is his open animosity toward Ben Stein’s documentary. Mr. Stein isn’t arguing in favor of ID, he’s highlighting the intolerant Stalinism of the pro-evolution academics.

Hey, the real target is our freedoms. If the evolutionists are right, then there is no God. If no God, no God-given rights. No inalienable rights either. Rights then become “permission slips” which can be rescinded.

It’s another topic, but I am distrustful to the point of despising the term “civil rights”. How does a civil right differ from a natural right? I’ll tell you. A civil right is a government given right and can be taken away or modified at will.

The Marxists had to replace something with something so to trick the freedom loving people of America they invented the term “civil right” and we now all use it.

Yours truly,
The Woim

P.S. - Who cares if you’re a religious believer? As long as you don’t start advocating socialism we’ll get along just fine. However, too too many atheists lose their religious belief in God and replace it with a childlike belief in the omnipotence of government. And for the record, all government is coersion.


93 posted on 04/28/2008 1:34:29 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitating for social change also means fighting to abolish the Dept of Education)
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To: Delacon

Read.


94 posted on 04/28/2008 1:38:37 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: PreciousLiberty
I’ve not seen the movie either, and based on what I know of it have no desire to. It’s sad to see Ben Stein, who’s been very funny at times, involved with such an intellectually bereft effort.

I wasn’t excited about going to it but would recommend it now. It is one to make you think about a lot of issues. Free Speech is the essence of the whole film as I saw it. It is the attempt to start public discussion on a lot of issues. Go to it and then make your judgment.
95 posted on 04/28/2008 1:40:51 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Delacon

Ummmm, it’s not so much about evolution/ID as Godless liberals shutting down debate at universities.


96 posted on 04/28/2008 1:42:18 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Delacon
...the thing is creationist porn, propaganda for ignorance and obscurantism...

Just like the so-called ID posters (masquerading) here.

97 posted on 04/28/2008 1:50:34 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Delacon
This movie is one of the most profound I have seen in a long long time.

Ben Stein knew, when making this, he was sticking his neck out for yahoos like this guy (who hasn't seen it) to break the movie & Stein apart and kick them to the curb.

I have great admiration for Stein's courage....!!!!!

It's a must see movie.

98 posted on 04/28/2008 1:52:22 PM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Soliton

“America has the most creationists in the world. They don’t exist in any numbers in Europe or Asia.”

Do you have stats? Like Derb said, “the Wahhabists are, like all fundamentalist Muslims, committed creationists.” There are lots of them all over the world. You have to do a double take when you are in common cause on anything with that crowd btw.


99 posted on 04/28/2008 2:05:26 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: reagan_fanatic

LOL, a guy that gets it. You take care bud. Good for you.


100 posted on 04/28/2008 2:07:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is a poison pill. Accept it! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006492/posts)
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