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A Blood Libel on Our Civilization. Can I expell Expelled?
National Review Online ^ | April 28, 2008 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon

What on earth has happened to Ben Stein? He and I go back a long way. No, I’ve never met the guy. Back in the 1970s, though, when The American Spectator was in its broadsheet format, I would always turn first to Ben Stein’s diary, which appeared in every issue. He was funny and clever and worldly in a way I liked a lot. The very few times I’ve caught him on-screen, he seems to have had a nice line in deadpan self-deprecation, also something I like. Though I’ve never met him, I know people who know him, and they all speak well of him. Larry Kudlow, whose opinion is worth a dozen average opinions on any topic, thinks the world of Ben.

So what’s going on here with this stupid Expelled movie? No, I haven’t seen the dang thing. I’ve been reading about it steadily for weeks now though, both pro (including the pieces by David Klinghoffer and Dave Berg on National Review Online) and con, and I can’t believe it would yield up many surprises on an actual viewing. It’s pretty plain that the thing is creationist porn, propaganda for ignorance and obscurantism. How could a guy like this do a thing like that?

I turned over some possibilities, but decisively rejected them all. The first thing that came to mind was Saudi money. Half of the evils and absurdities in our society seem to have a Saudi prince behind them somewhere, and the Wahhabists are, like all fundamentalist Muslims, committed creationists. This doesn’t hold water, though. For one thing, Stein is Jewish. For another, he is rich, and doesn’t need the money. And for another, the stills and clips I have seen are from a low-budget production. Saudi financing would surely at least have come up with some decent computer graphics. No, Ben Stein is no crook. He must then be foolish; and that’s sad, because I now think less of a guy I once admired, and whom my friends admire. Life, it’s just one darn bubble bursting after another.

To return to the matter of computer graphics for a moment, it seems that the producers of Expelled, rather than go to the trouble and expense of making their own, may have just stolen some. (The creationists have posted a defense here. There will probably be a lawsuit under way, which I shall report back on. Oh, and as I write this, I see a Reuters report that our defenders of faith and morality may have stolen some music too. How many more shoes will drop, I wonder?) It is at any rate clear that they engaged in much deception with the subjects they interviewed for the movie, many of whom are complaining loudly. This, together with much, much else about the movie, can be read about on the Expelled Exposed website put up by the National Center for Science Education, which I urge all interested readers to explore.

These dishonesties do not surprise me. When talking about the creationists to people who don’t follow these controversies closely, I have found that the hardest thing to get across is the shifty, low-cunning aspect of the whole modern creationist enterprise. Individual creationists can be very nice people, though they get nicer the further away they are from the full-time core enterprise of modern creationism at the Discovery Institute. The enterprise as a whole, however, really doesn’t smell good. You notice this when you’re around it a lot. I shall give some more examples in a minute; but what accounts for all this dishonesty and misrepresentation?

My own theory is that the creationists have been morally corrupted by the constant effort of pretending not to be what they are. What they are, as is amply documented, is a pressure group for religious teaching in public schools.

Now, there is nothing wrong with that. We are a nation of pressure groups, and one more would hardly notice. However, since parents who want their kids religiously educated already have plenty of private and parochial schools to choose from (half the kids on my street have attended parochial school), as well as the option of home schooling, now very well organized and supported (and heartily approved of by me: I just wish I knew how they find the time); and since current jurisprudence, how correctly I am not competent to say, regards tax-funded religious instruction as unconstitutional; creationists are a pressure group without hope, if they campaign openly for the thing they want.

Understanding this, the creationists took the morally fatal decision to campaign clandestinely. They overhauled creationism as “intelligent design,” roped in a handful of eccentric non-Christian cranks keen for a well-funded vehicle to help them push their own flat-earth theories, and set about presenting themselves to the public as “alternative science" engaged in a “controversy” with a closed-minded, reactionary “science establishment” fearful of new ideas. (Ignoring the fact that without a constant supply of new ideas, there would be nothing for scientists to do.) Nothing to do with religion at all!

I think this willful act of deception has corrupted creationism irredeemably. The old Biblical creationists were, in my opinion, wrong-headed, but they were mostly honest people. The “intelligent design” crowd lean more in the other direction. Hence the dishonesty and sheer nastiness, even down to plain bad manners, that you keep encountering in ID circles. It’s by no means all of them, but it’s enough to corrupt and poison the creationist enterprise, which might otherwise have added something worthwhile to our national life, if only by way of entertainment value.

This dishonesty showed up very soon after the creationists decided to don the mask of “alternative science” in the 1990s. A key episode was the Kunming conference of June 1999. In very brief — you can read the full story in Forrest and Gross’s Creationisms Trojan Horse (“A bad book, a very bad book,” shuddered the Discovery Institute’s Bruce Chapman when he saw it on my desk, like a vampire spotting a clove of garlic), pp.56-66 — there is a very interesting bed of extremely old fossils near Kunming, in southern China. Paul Chien, a little-known creationist of Chinese ancestry from San Francisco, acted as a front man for the Discovery Institute to organize a conference in Kunming, bringing in professional paleontologists from China and abroad, but without telling them of the Discovery Institute’s involvement. The aim was “to produce and then to promote a book containing the conference papers of [creationist] members immediately juxtaposed to those written by respected scientists in the relevant fields.” (Forrest & Gross, their italics.) When the real paleontologists found out what was going on, and how they had been brought across China, or around the world, they were not pleased. Embarrassing scenes followed. No book ever appeared.


Examples can be multiplied. The witty and mild-mannered federal Judge Jones, who presided over the 2005 Kitzmiller trial in Dover, Pa., felt moved to note that: “The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.” The response of the Discovery Institute was to launch sneering, slanderous attacks on the professionalism and competence of Judge Jones (a church-going conservative Republican appointed by President George W. Bush).

So it goes with the stalwart defenders of truth and morality over at the Discovery Institute. So it goes with Ben Stein, apparently, since he has signed up with these mountebanks, for reasons that remain mysterious to me. The misrepresentations in Expelled are far too numerous for me to list here, and the task is unnecessary since others have done it. The aforementioned Expelled Exposed website is a great resource. Biologist P. Z. Myers, in a less organized way, has been pointing up the errors and deceptions in Expelled since the wretched thing hove into view. (Here he links to a whole stack of reviews, including a couple of positives.) Other science-literate bloggers have been weighing in, often very angrily. One of my favorite comments came from “Pixy Misa” (Andrew Mazels) who correctly called Ben Stein's accusing Darwin of responsibility for the Holocaust “a blood libel on science.”

I would actually go further than that, to something like “a blood libel on Western Civilization.” One of the most-quoted remarks by one conservative writer about another was Evelyn Waugh's on Kipling. It bears quoting again.

[Kipling] was a conservative in the sense that he believed civilization to be something laboriously achieved which was only precariously defended. He wanted to see the defences fully manned and he hated the liberals because he thought them gullible and feeble, believing in the easy perfectibility of man and ready to abandon the work of centuries for sentimental qualms.

Western civilization has many glories. There are the legacies of the ancients, in literature and thought. There are the late-medieval cathedrals, those huge miracles of stone, statuary, and spiritual devotion. There is painting, music, the orderly cityscapes of Renaissance Italy, the peaceful, self-governed townships of old New England and the Frontier, the steel marvels of the early industrial revolution, our parliaments and courts of law, our great universities with their spirit of restless inquiry.

And there is science, perhaps the greatest of all our achievements, because nowhere else on earth did it appear. China, India, the Muslim world, all had fine cities and systems of law, architecture and painting, poetry and prose, religion and philosophy. None of them ever accomplished what began in northwest Europe in the later 17th century, though: a scientific revolution. Thoughtful men and women came together in learned societies to compare notes on their observations of the natural world, to test their ideas in experiments, and in reasoned argument against the ideas of others, and to publish their results in learned journals. A body of common knowledge gradually accumulated. Patterns were observed, laws discerned and stated.

If I write with more feeling than usual here it is because I have just shipped off a review to an editor (for another magazine) of Gino Segrè’s new book about the history of quantum mechanics. It’s a good, if not very remarkable, book giving pen-portraits of the great players in physics during the 1920s and 1930s, and of their meetings and disagreements. Segrè, a particle physicist himself, who has been around for a while, knew some of these people personally, and of course heard many anecdotes from their intellectual descendants. It's a “warm” book, full of feeling for the scientists and their magnificent enterprise, struggling with some of the most difficult problems the human intellect has ever confronted, striving with all their powers to understand what can barely be understood.

Gino Segrè’s book — and, of course, hundreds like it (I have, ahem, dabbled myself) brings to us a feeling for what the scientific endeavor is like, and how painfully its triumphs are won, with what sweat and tears. Our scientific theories are the crowning adornments of our civilization, towering monuments of intellectual effort, built from untold millions of hours of observation, measurement, classification, discussion, and deliberation. This is quite apart from their wonderful utility — from the light, heat, and mobility they give us, the drugs and the gadgets and the media. (A “thank you” wouldn’t go amiss.) Simply as intellectual constructs, our well-established scientific theories are awe-inspiring.

And now here is Ben Stein, sneering and scoffing at Darwin, a man who spent decades observing and pondering the natural world — that world Stein glimpses through the window of his automobile now and then, when he’s not chattering into his cell phone. Stein claims to be doing it in the name of an alternative theory of the origin of species: Yet no such alternative theory has ever been presented, nor is one presented in the movie, nor even hinted at. There is only a gaggle of fools and fraudsters, gaping and pointing like Apaches on seeing their first locomotive: “Look! It moves! There must be a ghost inside making it move!”

The “intelligent design” hoax is not merely non-science, nor even merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. It is an appeal to barbarism, to the sensibilities of those Apaches, made by people who lack the imaginative power to know the horrors of true barbarism. (A thing that cannot be said of Darwin. See Chapter X of Voyage of the Beagle.)

And yes: When our greatest achievements are blamed for our greatest moral failures, that is a blood libel against Western civilization itself. What next, Ben? Johann Sebastian Bach ran a slave-trading enterprise on the side? Kepler started the Thirty Years War? Tolstoy instigated the Kishinev Pogrom? Dante was a bag-man for the Golden Horde? Why not go smash a few windows in Chartres Cathedral, Ben? Break wind in a chamber-music concert? Splash some red paint around in the Uffizi? Which other of our civilizational achievements would you like to sneer at? What else from what Waugh called “the work of centuries” would you like to “abandon … for sentimental qualms”? You call yourself a conservative? Feugh!

For shame, Ben Stein, for shame. Stand up for your civilization, man! and all its glories. The barbarians are at the gate, as they always have been. Come man the defenses with us, leaving the liars and fools to their lies and folly.



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To: Soliton
Hitler claimed to be a Christian as an adult. He never claimed to be a “Darwinist”.

Of course not!

The whole dishonest Darwin = Hitler nonsense was dreamed up by creationists who had neither the scientific training, nor the evidence, to make a dent in the theory of evolution.

Look at it as a plea for attention, kind of like a child holding his breath. Or some of the stunts PETA pulls with semi-naked women.

261 posted on 04/28/2008 7:43:56 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Dog Gone

See my other posts about children learning that God doesn’t exist because science DEMANDS it to be so...

othewise, why the horrible fear of ID being simply explored as a theory? Why the fear of even allowing children books OUTSIDE science about God in school...why the NEA agenda against God in public schools, banning of Christmas from school calendars...

I can’t see any scientific PROOF of evolution, so....what’s the big deal?

Ignroing that science isn’t polititiczied doesn’t make it so!


262 posted on 04/28/2008 7:46:36 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Delacon

RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! Now THAT is quite rich!

You really come up with some beauties!


263 posted on 04/28/2008 7:47:46 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I think I’ll go see the movie.”

You won’t be sorry. It’s the most exciting movie I’ve seen in a long time, and the audience applauded at the end.


264 posted on 04/28/2008 7:53:30 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: tpanther
othewise, why the horrible fear of ID being simply explored as a theory?

This question has been answered for you dozens of times, but I'll try one more.

ID is not a theory. There are specific criteria that qualify an hypothesis as a scientific theory. ID has not fulfilled those criteria. Is that so difficult to understand?

It is dishonest, and fraudulent as well, to keep claiming something that isn't true. Just because you want ID, or creationism, treated as the equal to the theory of evolution doesn't make them equals.

One more time with the definition of theory (and please note the source of the second one. I'm not just making all of this up. That definition is from a NASA website.)

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses." Addendum: Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws.

Theory: A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory. Source


265 posted on 04/28/2008 7:53:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Soliton; Dog Gone; allmendream

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hitler.htm

“• In Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing “lower human types.” He criticized the Jews for bringing “Negroes into the Rhineland” with the aim of “ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization.” He spoke of “Monstrosities halfway between man and ape” and lamented the fact of Christians going to “Central Africa” to set up “Negro missions,” resulting in the turning of “healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of bastards.” In his chapter entitled “Nation and Race,” he said, “The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable.” A few pages later, he said, “Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.”[3]”

From that it is clear that Hitler was an evolutionist. How could he have been anything else and promoted the creation of the ubermensch?

As Weickart noted in his six reasons why Darwinism led to the Holocaust, Darwinism removed the basis for our Judeo Christian moral code and replaced it with a scientific basis for Race Hygiene. You may call that “twisting” Darwinism but I don’t see where the twist is. Survival of the fittest is survival of the fittest. Eugenics is simply applied Darwinism.

Eugenics and racism are NOT applied Christianity. Therefore, using Christianity to promote these things is twisting it into something it is not.


266 posted on 04/28/2008 7:54:13 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: Delacon

It’s very obvious that John Derbyshire did not see the movie.


267 posted on 04/28/2008 7:55:41 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Delacon
a Goreish/Mooreish film.
I saw the movie Sunday. It was not, BTW, exactly a packed house.

But whatever you may consider the failings of ID, Stein was not ambushing people. One of the people who appeared against ID in the film regrets it - but he accepted a fee for doing so, and wasn't chopped up and made foolish, but sounded foolish - or so he now seems to think - all by his lonesome self.

Stein doesn't take an adamant ID stance as such, he simply notices that there is some reason to wonder whether evolution can in fact explain the origin of life. And that the scientific establishment has developed antibodies against any scrutiny of that question.

Stein did a nice job on the issue of the relation of Darwinism to the Holocaust. The issue is introduced by an ID proponent who explicitly states, "Darwinism is not sufficient to explain the Holocaust - but it is necessary." Stein then takes us not to a death camp for Jews but to a "hospital" for "defectives." The guide takes Stein and us on a tour, and Stein interviews the guide. In a thick German accent the guide - who is not a liberal - reveals what went on in the facility, and the philosophical basis of that activity - Darwinism. The "treatment" which the staff applied to the defects in question was, of course, death.

Note that the present (German, non-Jewish) pope numbers his own cousin among those "treated" in this manner. The guide tells us that the killing went on 5 days a week, but not on the weekends, and Stein notes that the staff had to be given weekends off like anyone else. And you are left to ponder the meaning of it, and the overpowering message of that kind of "treatment" is plain. It is perfectly rational, on its own terms, but it is the absence of love. And, therefore, hellish.

I noted that Stein interviewed the guide. That is what he does in the whole movie - interview people. No bushwhacking, no taking out of context, no bullying. Just respectful, but non-sycophantic, interviews. Anybody who is interviewed by Stein and comes out appearing in a bad light, it is only because it looks like they know things that might not be so.

A "Goreish/Mooreish" film? That is not at all the impression I came away with.


268 posted on 04/28/2008 7:57:17 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Thomas Sowell for President)
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To: All

Ben Stein is a good guy, too, as he visits wounded Veterans at the hospital.


269 posted on 04/28/2008 8:00:38 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: HerrBlucher

You’ll have to explain what the hell Hitler has to do with whether evolution is correct or not.

Was he a scientist?

Was he God?

What the hell does he have to do with whether evolution is good science?

Or do you just want to smear the scientific field?

That’s what Ben Stein did, and I’d ask the same questions of him.


270 posted on 04/28/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Never asserted any such thing personally. You sure seem defensive with all the strawmen today!

And how is it you define science? Don’t we first have to at least do THAT in order to define what will be included, discluded...and how then would you decide in the future if ID is or isn’t science, if all anyone hears is “that’s not science”?

Cell phones were probably considered science fiction when first dreamed up and most likely dismissed by some. Maybe we’ll never levitate but it’s less likely to happen if people are so scared and insecure if they shout the sky is falling every time someone proposes such a thing!

The reality is that evolution isn’t the victim here. Stein merely exposes the liberal academics that think they ARE God, OR GOD’S GIFT, scientifically speaking.

Just because you don’t see things, doesn’t mean they’re not there.

It IS good to poke holes and discuss as you point out, MY WHOLE point is this is all too often disallowed, not only in science classes, but the entire school in general...from k-12 and beyond.

And it’s NOT the Bible-thumping theocrats doing the banning!

Put it this way, who gets to define Religion? For that matter Christianity? Catholics? Protestants? Mormons? Just like there are differeing opinions between theologians we have differing opinions between scientists.

Why do only those closed to the idea of ID get to define science?

What’s the big deal, and no one is proposing people be somehow FORCED to learn ID as scientific theory, but what if they choose to ask scientific questions about it, one way or another? It’s not like grade school science class spends weeks and weeks on creation, big bang, etc., let alone will somehow proselytize kids just because they believe one theory or anohter is more or less likely!

PLENTY of very educated scientists believe in a creator, but you actually propose they not whisper such an idea while engaged in science classses, that is until they can PROVE it, meanwhile that which is just as unproveable, evolution, is A-OK to talk about until the cows come home?


271 posted on 04/28/2008 8:10:33 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: HerrBlucher
As Weickart noted in his six reasons why Darwinism led to the Holocaust, Darwinism removed the basis for our Judeo Christian moral code and replaced it with a scientific basis for Race Hygiene. You may call that “twisting” Darwinism but I don’t see where the twist is. Survival of the fittest is survival of the fittest. Eugenics is simply applied Darwinism.

Courtesy of DarwinCentral.org

272 posted on 04/28/2008 8:29:19 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: tpanther

It may shock you to learn that I believe in a Creator, for evolution offers no convincing evidence of how life began, only how it evolved on this planet after it began.

I believe in God. I am also a Christian, although not a terribly good one. I get irritated a little too easily, but I also am forgiving of others. I’m not always as humble as I should be, yet sometimes I am.

But this isn’t about me.

It’s about emprical evidence of how we came to be what we are. I don’t define science. Science defines science and the scientific method has proven repeatedly to be the best way to understand everything we observe.

Do I think that something which is intrinsically outside the scientific method something which shouldn’t be taught as science?

Sure. That’s a no brainer. The answer is no.

Can it be taught? I guess so, but it shouldn’t be taught as science, just on a hope that someday some scientific evidence will be found to support it. That’s just crazy talk.

“Just because you don’t see things, doesn’t mean they’re not there.”

True, but I don’t see wood elves, either. Do I teach them as science?

Evolution and a Creator are not incompatible concepts. But evolution has tons of evidence and a Creator is based on faith or lack of any other provable test to explain how life began.

If you believe God created Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago in a garden in Iraq, you certainly have a daunting task in explaining all the hominid fossils which we have that date radiometrically to much older date and completely correspond to the evolution theory.

You have to explain away the entire age of the dinosaurs. You have to explain away everything without providing any evidence of anything.

I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it certainly hasn’t been done yet, and wishful thinking is not the same thing as knowledge which we should teach as fact.


273 posted on 04/28/2008 8:30:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
What the hell does he have to do with whether evolution is good science?

It has NOTHING to do with the validity of evolution, and Stein never said that it did, nor do I.

274 posted on 04/28/2008 8:34:00 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: HerrBlucher
The word Evolution is only used once in Mein Kampf; not many times and it referred to a political rather than a biological evolution.

“This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation.” Hitler in Mein Kampf.

Hitler was a racist. I never denied it. But in Mein Kampf he said that the Aryan race was the “highest image of the Lord”, not ‘the most evolved ape’.

Do you not think that there has been enough Historic Revisionism about Hitler that you have to add to the disinformation?

275 posted on 04/28/2008 8:35:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

bfl


276 posted on 04/28/2008 8:37:44 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: HerrBlucher
It has NOTHING to do with the validity of evolution, and Stein never said that it did, nor do I.

Very good. Then you'll agree that bringing up Hitler in a discussion of evolution is inflammatory and irrelevant.

That was my point, and I'm glad we're in agreement now.

277 posted on 04/28/2008 8:40:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: HerrBlucher
No, Ben Stein and you never sought to intimate that Evolution could be untrue or evil or despicable by linking it with Hitler. Heaven forfend!/s

They had a few hours to outline the case for I.D., the “persecution” that those “cdesign proponentists” face from empirical Science (which I.D. has vowed to destroy) and outline the supposed Scientific failings of the theory of Evolution through Natural Selection. Instead they devoted much of that time to talking about Hitler.

Gee, I wonder what point they WERE trying to make!

278 posted on 04/28/2008 8:43:01 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: 21stCenturion

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279 posted on 04/28/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: HerrBlucher
You say Hitler used the word “evolution” in Mein Kampf many times, and yet you fail to supply a SINGLE instance. I wonder why? Could it be because you knew it was a lie when you said it? That you knew he only used the word once and it was obvious in context that he was speaking of a political rather than a biological evolution?

I have made this challenge several times and I have yet to hear a single instance of any Nazi leader whipping up Jew hatred using Evolutionary language. Nope, it is all about “blood upon the cross”, “internationalist bankers”, and “mongrelization”.

Please supply a single quote where Hitler used the word Evolution, your “many times” doesn't cut it. Provide the quote (as I did) or, if you stick with your contention, quotes, where Hitler used the word Evolution in Mein Kampf.

280 posted on 04/28/2008 8:48:53 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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