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Story of evolution can be seen as comedy of errors (The Ancient Hiccup, Male Hernias, and more)
Philadephia Enquirer via Houston Chronicle ^ | Saturday, April 26, 2008 | Faye Flam

Posted on 04/27/2008 2:42:03 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: CarrotAndStick
Science is tested. God is not.

God has challenged men for thousands of years to test Him.

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.

181 posted on 04/27/2008 2:54:58 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Soliton
Faith cannot exist in the presence of proof. To demand proof is to deny faith.

I don't know enough about you to know what your beliefs are, but perhaps it might be a good scientific test for you to ask GOD for proof. Seek him earnestly and call it a scientific experiment. When you get the proof, faith and proof will fit together perfectly.

When proof does come, you'll have to use faith to explain it to your friends though...
182 posted on 04/27/2008 2:59:09 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Where did you get the idea Jesus was a superhuman? Certainly not the bible.

I see know that you are coming from a position of total ignorance.

You should read about Jesus before taking such a firm stance against the truth in Him.

You have a very unscientific approach toward Jesus and the bible.


183 posted on 04/27/2008 3:00:09 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

So, was Jesus human?

If Jesus is to be assumed neither superhuman, nor human, then why do the test in the first place?


184 posted on 04/27/2008 3:06:41 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

You are jumping through hoops.

In an animal evolving high core body temps, there would be two solutions. Individuals with gene mutations allowing efficient sperm production at higher temps would out compete an animal that was slowly evolving a way to get its testicles outside the body.

The bird’s solution makes sense.


185 posted on 04/27/2008 3:07:12 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: xmission; Soliton
I don't know enough about you to know what your beliefs are, but perhaps it might be a good scientific test for you to ask GOD for proof. Seek him earnestly and call it a scientific experiment. When you get the proof, faith and proof will fit together perfectly.

I'v tried it. Several times. Over years on end. It doesn't work. What do I do next?

186 posted on 04/27/2008 3:08:32 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Why not read the evidence laid out by the witnesses and decide for yourself? What do you have to fear from a fairy tail and at least you can come to these arguments armed with knowledge rather than ignorance?


187 posted on 04/27/2008 3:10:43 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: CarrotAndStick

I see no signs in your writing that your heart is seeking God at all let alone earnestly.


188 posted on 04/27/2008 3:12:57 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: dangerdoc
Individuals with gene mutations allowing efficient sperm production at higher temps would out compete an animal that was slowly evolving a way to get its testicles outside the body.

You are assuming that the former method might achieve success faster than the latter one. You are also assuming competition as equally distributed. The evolutionary path of birds might have resulted in the heat-fighting method, which involves complex biochemcal changes, more successful than the descended testicles method.

In mammals with generally low frequency of reproduction as compared to birds, the physical descention method might have been more viable.

The variables are vast; and the success of each evolutionary path depends on those variables, and their timing of play.

189 posted on 04/27/2008 3:14:12 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I’d try driving thru the express lane at McDonalds.

Seriously, it can take allot of time, and earnest soul searching (it did for me). It costs nothing though, so you lose nothing while you search.


190 posted on 04/27/2008 3:18:19 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: Raycpa
I see no signs in your writing that your heart is seeking God at all let alone earnestly.

You don't have to see it. Perhaps the intensity disillusionment is the product of the weariness from innumerable failed attempts at seeking your illusionary opiate.

If I had tried just once and failed, I would have been more mild in criticism, don't you think?

191 posted on 04/27/2008 3:18:51 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Raycpa
Why not read the evidence laid out by the witnesses and decide for yourself? What do you have to fear from a fairy tail and at least you can come to these arguments armed with knowledge rather than ignorance?

The "witnesses"? As I said earlier, they are of highly suspect nature. How can you prove otherwise?

You are apparently more trusting of what the illiterate masses in a foreign land heard and saw, than you are of the real people around you, today. Why would the oppressed people born 2000 years ago be any more trustworthy than the people you see on the streets, today? What effect could a person like David Blaine have on them, were he to go back in time and perform his stunning tricks?

And please don't bring the "can't fool people all the time" excuse. Religions like Islam spread from one individual to the present billions, with just the same kinds if incidents of miracles and other trickeries, as in other religions. Since these beliefs cumulate over time, they can grow into massive entities of ignorance, as they are, today.

192 posted on 04/27/2008 3:26:38 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Raycpa
What do you have to fear from a fairy tail and at least you can come to these arguments armed with knowledge rather than ignorance?

The only shreds of support that you clutch, are derived of 2000-year old scrolls. You have nothing else in support of your beliefs. Without the matter in those scrolls brought to you, you would not hold these beliefs.

193 posted on 04/27/2008 3:29:53 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: xmission

I’m aware of the time it takes. But sane people do come to a point when it becomes pretty obvious that the efforts are futile.

Atheists don’t wish there was no God. They just don’t see Him, no matter what efforts are put in to believe. It gets tiring after a while, and giving up is the most sane thing to do. Betraying one’s own sanity is akin to mental adultery.


194 posted on 04/27/2008 3:33:55 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
It is easy to sear the heart. You start by denying your faults. Then, you seek justification for your being, accept any explanations, and try earnestly to persuade yourself that God doesn't exist. Or, does He?

Your cynicism is noted...

195 posted on 04/27/2008 3:40:02 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I guess it’s a choice you can make (I was dragged). I’d tell you not to give up.

BTW: your post above, once it happens you do know 100% that there is GOD. You’d have proof, but only others who have been through the same thing could understand. I’d never really looked at a bible, other than seeing one when I got dragged to church as a kid. There was practically 0 bible knowledge, and no want to get it.


196 posted on 04/27/2008 3:41:13 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: Soliton

...and from where, exactly, did the “laws of physics” come?


197 posted on 04/27/2008 3:46:44 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I'v tried it. Several times. Over years on end. It doesn't work. What do I do next?I too have prayed for a sign from God to no avail
198 posted on 04/27/2008 3:46:50 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: WVKayaker

More than that, you just reveal how weak your beliefs are, that you swallow illogic hook, line and sinker, to avoid having to test your own faith. When you come to a point where you are forced to do it, I hope you survive the accrued agony that’ll pour hard on you, when your beliefs shatter.


199 posted on 04/27/2008 3:48:06 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: DennisR
...and from where, exactly, did the “laws of physics” come?

from objective observation of nature

200 posted on 04/27/2008 3:48:19 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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