The WHOLE truth.
The clear implication by wideawake was that the LDS abort babies willy nilly if the parents find out the child will be born deformed—meaning what? Down’s syndrome? Cleft palate? Mentally retarded? Severely autistic? Missing limbs? Conjoined twins? If you don’t like what your baby’s going to come out looking like, go ahead and kill him.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
As I posted, in medical cases, an abortion MAY be considered:
* IF you have a COMPETENT physician,
* and IF that competent physician determines that the baby WILL NOT SURVIVE BIRTH
That’s a far cry from simply saying, “LDS doctrine allows abortion for deformed babies.” It’s such a gross oversimplification and distortion of our true views and beliefs, that is is false and misleading. Probably only 0.0002% of prenatal children with birth defects would fall into such a category.
It’s as if I said, “Catholic doctrine allows mothers to let their children die in the womb without trying to save them.”
Technically, that is true...but only in such an infinitesimally minute number of circumstances, that I would be rightly accused of lying about the Catholic position if I broadbrushed their beliefs in that way.
For those of you who haven't seen the 1973 Mormon statement on abortion or the statement on abortion in the LDS bishops handbook, allow me to "translate" CYTD's Mormon PR cover:
* IF you have a COMPETENT physician...
The fact of the matter is that most abortions these days -- about 90%--are done in free-standing abortion clinics & only about 10% combined in hospitals or private physicians' offices. What does that mean then when CYTD talks about "physician?" Well, it means that LDS leaders perhaps had good intentions when they wrote that 1973 statement; but it's become badly outdated. Now, most recommendations for abortions come from abortionists--not "competent medical physicians" as the LDS statement says. Besides, if an LDS family wants an abortion, all they need to do is to ensure they see a full-time or part-time abortionist, who will in turn make the recommendation.
* and IF that competent physician determines that the baby WILL NOT SURVIVE BIRTH
Oh, yeah..."competent physicians" are now "prophets?" (give me a break) Just about the only guarantee of a dead baby prior to an early C-section removal are conditions like ectopic pregnancies...and in those situations, not only do you have a guaranteed dead baby but the baby will wind up killing mom. In those cases, where the baby 100% will die anyway, then that's about the only type of case where you have abortion as genuine self-defense.
The WHOLE truth...The clear implication by wideawake was that the LDS abort babies willy nilly if the parents find out the child will be born deformed—meaning what? Down’s syndrome? Cleft palate? Mentally retarded? Severely autistic? Missing limbs? Conjoined twins? If you don’t like what your baby’s going to come out looking like, go ahead and kill him. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Yeah, CYTD, the LDS statement clearly says "health of the mother" not "life" of the mother. (So much for your "whole truth...nothing could be further from the truth") No true self-respecting pro-life legislator would ever settle for "health of the mother" protective language for pre-born...only "life of the mother" means anything because the abortion industry treats "health" as all those examples you mention. So, again, it comes down to the wishes of the pregnant parents as advised by their abortionist or doc.
...an abortion may be considered...
Was there a reason you left out the other exceptions the LDS statement gives? Rape, incest. Or how about this "doosey"...If the LDS woman prays about it, or the LDS father prays about it, and God says, "OK. Have at it. Dismember Johnny or Janey Smith."
I think that aspect of the LDS statement on abortion has to be among the most slanderous statements about God...that God would somehow become complicit and a conspirator in the plan to dismember a pre-born baby by giving the nod to his or her extermination--all in the name of a "personal revelation" answer to prayer!
Nothing could be further from the truth.
As I posted, in medical cases, an abortion MAY be considered:
* IF you have a COMPETENT physician,
* and IF that competent physician determines that the baby WILL NOT SURVIVE BIRTH
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Don't get too upset , this is just a normal anti-Mormons way of taking something we say and adding their words to and making it something it isn't.
It is usually something that makes them look better by making us look bad by adding to the truth.
I wasn't 'clear' to me.
Are you able to read his mind?
Nothing could be further from the truth.
What is the TRUTH is a Mormon DOES have an abortion?
What is the church's official policy?
Is there any repercussions towards her?
Is she excommunicated?
Chastised?
Given more training?
ANY licensed physician is, by law, considered to be COMPETENT.... even serial abortionists.
I do believe you owe wideawake an apology.
I am unsure why you brought up Catholics but oh well.
The question was “why is wideawake a liar?”
He said lds alow abortion with deformed babies - that is true.
You said lds allow abortions with deformed babies - that is true.
Lds allow abortion with deformed babies - that is true.
Now you wished to clarify the policy “allow” fine but what wideawke said is true.